144,000 (Micheal the Disciple)

[trialedbyfire]

Personally I've always interpreted the woman to be Israel, the son born to be the church, and the dragon to be Satan, and the 144,000 to be the remnant of Israel that God uses to redeem Israel to himself. I'm pre-wrath/mid-trib though so carry on. LOL

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The Manchild-144,000

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Rev. 12:5

Right now there is a small group of end time disciples that take God seriously. They are being trained and disciplined by his word and Spirit. They are "hidden away" in their mothers womb. This insures they will not be carried away in pride and move ahead of the plan of God. It looks like to the church in general that they are a failure! Their preaching of JUDGMENT and PERFECTION gives grief and pain. They meet in small home churches and are called "cultists".

God sees it another way! The church in general has lost its way long ago. It seems that unity and full stature is just a visionaries dream! But wait! God is working his "quick work".

Caught up to the throne of God? This is not referring to what we call the rapture! I believe there will be a literal coming of Jesus to gather his saints in the clouds. The catching up of the Man Child is on the same spiritual level as these other two notable experiences in scripture.

I knew a man In Christ above 14 years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell, or whether out of the body I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one CAUGHT UP to the third heaven.
2 Cor. 12:2

After this I looked and behold a door was in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said, COME UP HITHER and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
And immediatley I was in the Spirit: and behold a throne was set in heaven and ONE SAT ON THE THRONE. Rev. 4:1-2

Here we have two men, leaders of Gods people taken up to hear heavenly things. After Gods purpose in bringing them there is fulfilled he then sent them BACK! Was it literal or "in the spirit"? John said he was in the Spirit. Paul said he could not tell. Nonetheless the experience was so real to both of them they mentioned it in their writings!

When the time is right, when God has brought the end time overcomers to the place he can use them they WILL RECEIVE A LIKE EXPERIENCE! They will be caught up to God. They will receive end time instruction. Their doctrine will be the doctrine of heaven and they will be given a "rod of iron" to back it up with!

When they"return" they have a command to FEED the people of God. The devil has chased them to the wilderness. But God already had a plan for their deliverance!

And the woman fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of God THAT THEY SHOULD FEED HER THERE a thousand two hundred and three score days.

The question is: Who are the THEY who shall feed her?

They are those who UNDERSTAND. Those who have been in training for this very thing. Now their ministry is finally released! Gods power backs them up as he backed up his servant Moses in the wilderness.

And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt
by flatteries: but the people that do know their God SHALL BE STRONG AND DO EXPLOITS! Dan. 11:32

What exploits might we expect? How about multipying food?
Healing the sick? Blinding the eyes of those who seek to destroy Gods people?

And THEY THAT UNDERSTAND among the people shall INSTRUCT MANY: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil many days. Dan. 11:33

It will be the greatest time of BIBLE FEASTING in history! Christians who love Yashua but have not understood his word will be amazed as the great truths of Christ are revealed!
There will yet be a people who will come to the FULLNESS OF THE STATURE OF CHRIST!

Martyr"s? Yes! But they will rejoice that they are worthy to die for his name! Like Stephen they shall be given "dying grace".

Now when they shall fall, THEY SHALL BE HOLPEN WITH A LITTLE HELP: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan. 11:34

Even in a great time of restoration not all will heed the message. As when Israel came out of Egypt, Gods people were fed and led supernaturally but many still fell into murmuring, complaining and sin and were cut off from Gods grace.

There it is friends. Both the bitter and the sweet! Exciting and dangerous times are ahead. Question is where will you stand in that day? Where are you standing TODAY? If one cannot serve God in the green tree what will happen in the dry!

Now is the time to crucify flesh. Now is the time to yield your members as instruments of righteousness unto holiness. God is looking for a few good men and women to labor with him in that day. My end time vision-michael

That's interesting if true sir. If it is true I have nothing else but a desire to be one of the ones God uses. I think regardless of the exact interpretation it's agreeable that GREAT, AMAZING, TERRIBLE, and WONDERFUL times are ahead for the body of Christ. Much prayer, much fasting, much consecration, much studying to show ourselves approved is necessary. The church as a whole needs to have a desire to truly seek God's face. It should make us want to get so close to God that we feel what he feels, sees what he sees, think what he thinks. What he hates we should hate, when he feels sad we should feel sad.

[Sam]

why couldn't the 144,000 just be 12,000 people from each of the 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation chapter seven?

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Sam

why couldn't the 144,000 just be 12,000 people from each of the 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation chapter seven?

Makes sense.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Sam

why couldn't the 144,000 just be 12,000 people from each of the 12 tribes mentioned in Revelation chapter seven?

the twelve tribes in Revelation are not the same twelve tribes in Joshua

[Sam]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

the twelve tribes in Revelation are not the same twelve tribes in Joshua

oh??

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I know there are hundreds of opinions but would like to ask especially those that believe the church will go through tribulation what is your opinion about the 144.000. Thanks

The 144,000 is a symbolic number representing redeemed, new covenant Israel (the remnant), ie those Israelites (not the tribe of Judah alone!!, but all 12 tribes) who are covenanted with Jesus Christ and who refuse to submit to the world's order (the beast) and who hold fast to the true doctrines of Christ, his apostles and prophets, and who are sealed (by the Holy Ghost) as evidenced by their faithful obedience to Him.

The church has been and will continue to go through tribulation, for "we must by much tribulation enter the kingdom of God."

There is no future prophetic 'seven year' or '3.5 year' "Great Tribulation" waiting to be unfurled, like some cheap Tim LaHaye novel.

The Great Tribulation of Matthew 24 is over and done with. The 'great tribulation' of Revelation is on going and has been for well nigh 2000 years.

The time of Jacob's Trouble is coming, tho most people have no clue what that is about and look to the middle east when they should be looking west...

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The 144,000 is a symbolic number representing redeemed, new covenant Israel (the remnant), ie those Israelites (not the tribe of Judah alone!!, but all 12 tribes) who are covenanted with Jesus Christ and who refuse to submit to the world's order (the beast) and who hold fast to the true doctrines of Christ, his apostles and prophets, and who are sealed (by the Holy Ghost) as evidenced by their faithful obedience to Him.

The church has been and will continue to go through tribulation, for "we must by much tribulation enter the kingdom of God."

There is no future prophetic 'seven year' or '3.5 year' "Great Tribulation" waiting to be unfurled, like some cheap Tim LaHaye novel.

The Great Tribulation of Matthew 24 is over and done with. The 'great tribulation' of Revelation is on going and has been for well nigh 2000 years.

The time of Jacob's Trouble is coming, tho most people have no clue what that is about and look to the middle east when they should be looking west...

Explain.

And wait before you ask when I say "explain"... I mean everything.

These theories I have yet to hear.

[thaddaeus417]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrtDSFC1JvY

The above link is Part 1 of 10, good old time preaching.