Calling on the Name of the Lord

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

That's fine. While I personally don't think that this verse or John 3:5 is referring to water baptism, there are many other verses that do confirm that water baptism is part of the salvation process and not just a post salvation "expression". Our slight differing views here don't effect the point as to what "calling on the name of the Lord" for salvation means.

Well let me try again.
I am sure that if I try hard enough and look long enough, I can find something substantial to disagree with you about.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well let me try again.
I am sure that if I try hard enough and look long enough, I can find something substantial to disagree with you about.

You are right! ha ha

And the "one steppers" are going to disagree with both of us either way.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You are right! ha ha

And the "one steppers" are going to disagree with both of us either way.

Hey are you talking about me

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Hey are you talking about me

ha ha

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"Baptism doth now save us, not the washing of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience toward the Lord."

If baptism is the answer of a good conscience, then what is the question?

Do you believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Will you verbally affirm your faith in Jesus Christ?
Is your conscience clear toward God?
Then you should be baptized.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Faith is steeped int he salvation process entirely. One will not truly repent of ones sin without faith. One cannot be baptized without faith, otherwise you are simply taking a swim. If baptism was effective without the faith of the believer I'd lead all my unsaved brothers and sisters to a pool push them in and yell "JESUS"... unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Faith is what applies the blood to the baptism. It is faith that saves us, I don't know an OP who does not believe this. Without faith the baptism means nothing. However "faith" is not hearing something believing it and walking away. It's obeying God's command. When we "believe and are baptized" our sins are washed away because of our obedience to the word of God.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If you believe and confess, then to solidify your belief in and heartfelt verbal confession of Jesus Christ, you are baptized.

You are baptized when you are baptized.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When one hears the Gospel (which repentance is part of), if they are convicted of their sin and surrenders to Christ, then they shall be saved. The proof of their faith is their obedience to the command to be baptized in water.
The proof of their faith is their love for their spiritual brothers and sisters.
The proof of their faith is their walking away from sin to pursue Christ.
These are the works of a person who confesses saving faith in Christ.

So what if they don't? Is that proof of their disbelief?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The whole idea of even implying to a person that you're not saved until we hear you speak in tongues minimizes faith in the Savior and His Gospel and it attempts to put God in a box.

In the days of Noah there was ONE way out of complete destruction. You had to get on the Ark Noah was instructed to build. You could build your own, you could try to go to high ground, you could try to build an airplane but the outcome would be the same. You would die. Was Noah putting God in a box when he said there's only one way out of destruction in those days? No, he was following God's instruction. Why? Because God's instruction is ALWAYS very specific. He wants things done HIS way. He sets up a plan and requires obedience, and he very much has that right. We have no right to put God in a box, he has the right to put us in one though. A giant one with two of every animal, and you have a right not to go into that box, but just be aware of the consequences.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If ANYONE is saved, it won't be because they understood all mysteries or because they were baptized the "right" way. It will be by Grace, through faith.

If anyone is saved it is because they obtained mercy from God, heard God's instruction (the word of God), and obeyed.

[BrotherEastman]

obeying Acts 2:38 is taking necessary steps towards grace.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

obeying Acts 2:38 is taking necessary steps towards grace.

Absolutely!! The first part of Peter's command (repentance/baptism) has to do with DEATH, namely US dying to self and surrendering our wills to our rightful owner, the one who purchased us by his blood.

The second part is the PROMISE God fulfills because we obeyed the first step. We got rid of the old man so God could infuse us with his LIFE, thus creating the NEW MAN with new desires, and a new nature, and a new tongue!!

If you want the new man, you have to crucify and bury the old one!

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Faith is steeped int he salvation process entirely. One will not truly repent of ones sin without faith. One cannot be baptized without faith, otherwise you are simply taking a swim. If baptism was effective without the faith of the believer I'd lead all my unsaved brothers and sisters to a pool push them in and yell "JESUS"... unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Faith is what applies the blood to the baptism. It is faith that saves us, I don't know an OP who does not believe this. Without faith the baptism means nothing. However "faith" is not hearing something believing it and walking away. It's obeying God's command. When we "believe and are baptized" our sins are washed away because of our obedience to the word of God.



You are baptized when you are baptized.



So what if they don't? Is that proof of their disbelief?




In the days of Noah there was ONE way out of complete destruction. You had to get on the Ark Noah was instructed to build. You could build your own, you could try to go to high ground, you could try to build an airplane but the outcome would be the same. You would die. Was Noah putting God in a box when he said there's only one way out of destruction in those days? No, he was following God's instruction. Why? Because God's instruction is ALWAYS very specific. He wants things done HIS way. He sets up a plan and requires obedience, and he very much has that right. We have no right to put God in a box, he has the right to put us in one though. A giant one with two of every animal, and you have a right not to go into that box, but just be aware of the consequences.



If anyone is saved it is because they obtained mercy from God, heard God's instruction (the word of God), and obeyed.

Very good...

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Faith is steeped int he salvation process entirely. One will not truly repent of ones sin without faith. One cannot be baptized without faith, otherwise you are simply taking a swim. If baptism was effective without the faith of the believer I'd lead all my unsaved brothers and sisters to a pool push them in and yell "JESUS"... unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Faith is what applies the blood to the baptism. It is faith that saves us, I don't know an OP who does not believe this. Without faith the baptism means nothing. However "faith" is not hearing something believing it and walking away. It's obeying God's command. When we "believe and are baptized" our sins are washed away because of our obedience to the word of God.



You are baptized when you are baptized.



So what if they don't? Is that proof of their disbelief?




In the days of Noah there was ONE way out of complete destruction. You had to get on the Ark Noah was instructed to build. You could build your own, you could try to go to high ground, you could try to build an airplane but the outcome would be the same. You would die. Was Noah putting God in a box when he said there's only one way out of destruction in those days? No, he was following God's instruction. Why? Because God's instruction is ALWAYS very specific. He wants things done HIS way. He sets up a plan and requires obedience, and he very much has that right. We have no right to put God in a box, he has the right to put us in one though. A giant one with two of every animal, and you have a right not to go into that box, but just be aware of the consequences.



If anyone is saved it is because they obtained mercy from God, heard God's instruction (the word of God), and obeyed.

According to the bible, they weren't saved by the ark.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

[houston]

Where in the Bible is repentance likened unto death?