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[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think you misunderstood my statement. I don't feel the thread was started in order to "compliment" the dancers/worshippers. My husband has always said he would rather people make some mistakes in their responses than to quench the Spirit.

Did you watch the videos? It wasn't about people "making mistakes" or even looking stupid. It was more about all the different styles of dances--particularly in black churches.

And no, my children didn't do any of that. At least I don't recall ever seeing it.

And you would have reacted negatively if they had? I don't see it as mockery unless there's some hostility involved. Michal's reaction was hostile and hateful; it wasn't simply amusement.

I suppose it boils down to what you think comprises "mockery." IMO, it isn't so simple as "copying." There has to be an attitude behind it.

Ftr, I do NOT think Renda started this thread so everyone would make fun of Pentecostal worship. I'm surprised that you do.

[Ron]

I beleived dancing is in response to God, not planned & not choreographed. I Don't think that one can compare practicing a song to learn the keys, the words, the beat, to a one kick, twirl, jump.
In being a praise & worship leader, I can say that no two worship services are alike, & the reason we practice the songs is so we can relax & concentrate on worship & follwing after the Lord.
I can know a song, & where we can do a bridge, to let us sing the song without music, to go from a fast worship service & where God wants to go deeper, & change direction.
Practicing the songs allows that.
I don't practice on how to praise God or to dance.
I may twirl, I may stand and weep, I may run. These are all spontaneous from my heart.
I hope I better explained myself.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think you misunderstood my statement. I don't feel the thread was started in order to "compliment" the dancers/worshippers.

My husband has always said he would rather people make some mistakes in their responses than to quench the Spirit.

And no, my children didn't do any of that. At least I don't recall ever seeing it.

Amen! My Pastors both present & past said, it is much easier to throw a wet blanket on something that is getting out of hand, rather then trying to light some wet wood!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Did you watch the videos? It wasn't about people "making mistakes" or even looking stupid. It was more about all the different styles of dances--particularly in black churches.

OMG! I am talking about the DIALOGUE HERE!!!!!!

And you would have reacted negatively if they had? I don't see it as mockery unless there's some hostility involved. Michal's reaction was hostile and hateful; it wasn't simply amusement.

I suppose it boils down to what you think comprises "mockery." IMO, it isn't so simple as "copying." There has to be an attitude behind it.

Ftr, I do NOT think Renda started this thread so everyone would make fun of Pentecostal worship. I'm surprised that you do.

Well, that is a matter of opinion.

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I thought Paul said that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was the power of God (Romans 1:16).

Do we really believe this is how the NT Church worshiped? Or is this a cultural construct?

Originally Posted by rgcraig

No.
Yes.

As to your question about my children, I can answer with one example that is related to praying at the altar. My daughter, 6 years old, was praying to received the Holy Ghost. She would look up, look around and then cry some more. I finally went over to her and asked her why she was doing that. She said, "It gets me going." LOL! I responded, "God wants to listen to your words from your own heart and if you are going to cry, He wants that to be because you love Him and not because it gets you going."

She stopped looking around and presently was speaking in tongues - for an hour. God is good. Let's just be sincere in whatever we do.

[MissBrattified]

A sense of humor is a great thing to have--especially in church. I'm glad I was raised in a home where spirituality was met with a large measure of pragmatism. My Dad said (over and over), "Some people are so heavenly minded, they're no earthly good." We shouldn't be so serious about every little thing that happens in church.

Not everything is spiritual and not everything is serious. How people choose to dance is not that serious of a topic. Whether they dance isn't that serious of a topic. Making fun of them because they dance--that would be an entirely different thing.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

OMG! I am talking about the DIALOGUE HERE!!!!!!


Well, that is a matter of opinion.





As to your question about my children, I can answer with one example that is related to praying at the altar. My daughter, 6 years old, was praying to received the Holy Ghost. She would look up, look around and then cry some more. I finally went over to her and asked her why she was doing that. She said, "It gets me going." LOL! I responded, "God wants to listen to your words from your own heart and if you are going to cry, He wants that to be because you love Him and not because it gets you going."

She stopped looking around and presently was speaking in tongues - for an hour. God is good. Let's just be sincere in whatever we do.

Too cute, but true!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I thought Paul said that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was the power of God (Romans 1:16).

Do we really believe this is how the NT Church worshiped? Or is this a cultural construct?

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

A sense of humor is a great thing to have--especially in church. I'm glad I was raised in a home where spirituality was met with a large measure of pragmatism. My Dad said (over and over), "Some people are so heavenly minded, they're no earthly good." We shouldn't be so serious about every little thing that happens in church.

Not everything is spiritual and not everything is serious. How people choose to dance is not that serious of a topic. Whether they dance isn't that serious of a topic. Making fun of them because they dance--that would be an entirely different thing.

Okay, I see you finally got it.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

A sense of humor is a great thing to have--especially in church. I'm glad I was raised in a home where spirituality was met with a large measure of pragmatism. My Dad said (over and over), "Some people are so heavenly minded, they're no earthly good." We shouldn't be so serious about every little thing that happens in church.

Not everything is spiritual and not everything is serious. How people choose to dance is not that serious of a topic. Whether they dance isn't that serious of a topic. Making fun of them because they dance--that would be an entirely different thing.

You mean to say you wouldn't laugh if someone started doing this at the alter?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Okay, I see you finally got it.

PO, I "had it" from the first post. E.g., there's a reason I've been keeping a close eye on this thread. I know people like to make fun of Apostolics, and there's always the potential for that when stuff like this comes up.

As for the "dialogue" on this thread; there are always supporters and dissenters in every conversation. It's fair to assume that threads are posted for the purpose of discussion (although sometimes they ARE just posted for entertainment), but it's not fair to assume that Renda posted the videos for the express purpose of making fun of Pentecostal worship.

[rgcraig]

Well, everyone can have an opinion, but I didn't start this thread to mock shouting.

Ron seemed to understand. We both shared stories of things we remembered.

No hidden agenda.

As for my answers to Deacon, yes, I think they are cultural - especially the one of the Mother of the church.