Shouts - Page 7

Pressing-On · #61 02-06-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Apparently, I bug you, so I'll bow out for now.

Renda, You answered DB's question saying you didn't think it was Biblical. When you answer that you don't believe it was how they worshiped in the NT, you are in effect saying it is not Biblical. I don't know how we would determine the particulars of what they were actually doing in the NT. If they copied anything that David did as a way of expressing himself before God, then they danced. So, in my view, we can't emphatically say that they didn't worship in that way in the NT times. Jewish men were well known to dance together as part of worship.

I certainly didn't mean to offend you, although I did. I couldn't imagine wanting to take the side of some view that I have no way of knowing is truth. That is all I am saying.

Steve Epley · #62 02-06-2013, 02:00 PM

And some folks accuse cons of being uptight?

MissBrattified · #63 02-06-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

And some folks accuse cons of being uptight?

Definitely not in church--that's for sure!!!

There are times when I find "quiet" or more traditional church a little refreshing or a nice change, but by and large I want church to be fun and lively.

PastorTLArt · #64 02-06-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I would think they do a lot of shouting and dancing at the snake handling churches.

Actually, We DO!!!! I grew up in the signs! My current church isnt one but I still believe and practice when I visit the home church and a few others.

navygoat1998 · #65 02-06-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorTLArt

Actually, We DO!!!! I grew up in the signs! My current church isnt one but I still believe and practice when I visit the home church and a few others.

Snake handling??? Brother I glad we don't do that in the Assemblies...........

PastorTLArt · #66 02-06-2013, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

That would be a "how"; not a "because."

And yes, there have been times when I have been on the organ and had to stare a hole in the wall to keep from busting a gut. Apparently that's because I'm carnal.

PEOPLE are funny, and I refuse to believe that God lacks a sense of humor. In fact, I have a feeling that a lot of stuff that goes on in church makes HIM laugh--probably with sheer enjoyment.

Sister, IM glad you could hold the laugh back, Im not good at that one!! I have been known to bust at times! I was visiting a church once, and it was a great service and the Spirit started moving and the pastor got his shout on. Well, He is a tall lanky fellow and honestly he looked like a flamingo running from an alligator that ya see on the discovery channel. I just couldn't hold it back, and the bad part is, when he and I became friends a lil later on, I told him about it!! He had another laugh with me!!!!!!

deacon blues · #67 02-07-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

No.
Yes.

You cannot be serious Renda...Please tell me you're being ornery...

deacon blues · #68 02-07-2013, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It does have something to do with the power of God. If someone didn't feel His presence in such a powerful way, they wouldn't express themselves with such emotion.

I'm not going to interfere with someone's emotional expression unless they are disrupting a service and making it all about themselves. And I certainly wouldn't want to start a thread to begin a mocking campaign. Just sayin'...

No intention of mockery, but if these folks on this video are really good at acting out the "shouting", it is possible for it to be faked, no? I don't doubt there is an emotional response to God sometimes. I just don't see Biblically some of the mystical ways people express themselves. To the unbeliever it is spooky and unnerving. Does spirituality have to be spooky?

deacon blues · #69 02-07-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron

What is proper worship or praise.
The Bible says in bringing back the Ark of the Lord to Israel in
14 And David danced before the Lord with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.

16 And as the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the Lord; and she despised him in her heart.

17 And they brought in the ark of the Lord, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the Lord.

18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord of hosts.

19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house.

20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord.

22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.

23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

Seems to me that King David got a little rowdy in worship before the Lord, so much so, that he seemed to have hummbled himself in the sight of all Israel!
God did not chide him, and seems to infer that God struck Michal with a barren womb until the day she died as he God was displeased with her attitude towards David's worship!

Boy, that would preach.

So, those of you commenting that this is not Biblical worship, what is Biblical woirship according to you?

Was David going into convulsions or seizure-like movements or was he dancing traditional Jewish dances before the Lord? And we don't really have any evidence in the NT church of such productions---walk six paces, dance and about, walk six paces dance and shout. David was celebrating the return of the ark to Israel and making it the center of their worship. Today WE are the Temple of the HS. I don't have to have a Sunday gathering to worship. I can worship 24/7 anywhere. Why don't these folks fall out, huck and buck at the grocery or on the street or in a parking lot or in their living room?

I'm afraid I've observed a lot of emotionalism and putting on a show at church. Why are the "moves of God" only between 10-12 on Sundays? Could it be that there's a temptation to show out in the confines of church? I think it's important to be consistent. You should worship God in public like you do in private. I wouldn't do anything in public worship that I'm not consistently doing in private. Have you ever heard of someone getting "slain in the Spirit" at home alone in their bedroom? Have you heard of someone running the halls of their house when no one was there to observe? Just askin...

deacon blues · #70 02-07-2013, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, everyone can have an opinion, but I didn't start this thread to mock shouting.

Ron seemed to understand. We both shared stories of things we remembered.

No hidden agenda.

As for my answers to Deacon, yes, I think they are cultural - especially the one of the Mother of the church.

Never mind Rendy, I got it. Im. A. Little. Slow.