Something interesting about gays.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Amazing......simply amazing......I have found out a lot of things on AFF.....now another supposed truth of God's Word has been debunked.....

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

SMH.....wow.... I am devastated.....just when I thought I could be delivered from sin and my past.......I find out that I am doomed to stay the way I was born until I leave this world.


Rubbish......y'all keep believing in a weak God/gospel, I'll keep believing in a God that doesn't just teach me to cope, but transforms my life each and every day.....until the day when I shall be like him for I shall see him as he is.

Ah... we are "new creatures". Yet so few DON'T understand what man is or what this means. I'll try to break down my understanding of this.

Like God, man exists in three modes of being. After all, man was made in God's image. A human being is composed of the following:

1.) Body (soma): The physical aspect to man's nature. It is composed of "flesh". It has a biological basis. Though a man be a "new creature" the body is still subject to genetics, hormones, disease, sickness, aging, and death. This body will be changed (glorified) in the twinkling of an eye at Christ's coming. Upon glorification this body will no longer be subject to genetics, hormones, disease, sickness, aging, and death. The desire for pleasure, comfort, and ease originate from the flesh. And the flesh doesn't care if pleasure, comfort, and ease are attained through godly means or ungodly means.

2.) Soul (psueche/psyche): This is the mental aspect to man's nature. Thoughts originate from this aspect of a man. This part of man holds "identity". And though a man be a "new creature" the soul is still in need of conformity. We renew our minds through the Word of God. Without the Word of God, the soul is conditioned to cater to "the flesh" (the desires of the body). At Christ's coming, our souls (minds) will also be glorified and the mind of Christ will be complete and permanent. We will be like Him.

3.) Spirit (pnuema): This is the "living" aspect to a man's nature, the "life force" if you will. It is the very essence of life itself. Emotions and motives originate from this aspect of a man. The ancients likened this "life force" or "living essence" to being the "breath" of life. Apart from God, it is corrupt. The emotions and motives of a man are self serving and ego-centric. Yet when a man is born again the Holy Spirit of God takes up residence in the spirit of a man and thus the spirit of a man comes into a state of union with the Spirit of God. Now the very "life force" or "living essence" of God Himself flows through the spirit of the born again believer. The result is essentially... becoming one spirit with the LORD Himself. This is the aspect of man that becomes a "new creature" when a man is born again. Never before has creation seen a mortal being in spiritual union with God, hense being a "new creature", or a "new kind of being".

Please note: The soul and the spirit are inseperably bound together and are threfore the terms are often used interchangeably with each. Together, they make the "inner man" or the "spirit body". The "spirit body" of a man is connected to the physical body by what is known as a "silver cord". This "silver cord" is the spirit body's "lifeline" to the physical body in the same way that our umbilical cord is our "lifeline" to our mother's body during the birth process. At death, this silver cord is broken and the spirit body is set free from it's connection to the body while the body is left lifeless.


So a born again Christian, a new creature, is still subject to the flesh and the carnal mind. This is why a born again believer, while being a "new creature", is still subject to genetic issues, disease, sickness, aging, and death. This is why a born again believer, while being a new creature, it still in need of having the mind painstakingly renewed daily through the Word of God in effort to "put on Christ" or to have "the mind of Christ". It is the "spirit" of the born again believer that is in union with God and "regenerated" through this union. Now godly emotions reside within the very living essence of a man. Now godly motives issue forth from the depths of a man's living essence. So when the man surrenders his will to the flesh and sins... the spirit is convicted. A sense of having done wrong, a sense of guilt, shame, and perhaps even depression can develope. He is a "new creature"... but this "new creature" is a treasure currently bound in an earthen vessel.

I hope this helps to understand what many here are saying in relation to this topic. You see... a born again believer is still subject to genetics and hormones. There is NO good thing in the flesh. All sin originates from the desires of the flesh. And as long as a believer is on this side of glory... the flesh is still very much alive and demanding to be pleased by what it desires. A man often cannot change what the flesh desires. However, a man can subdue the flesh on a daily basis through walking after the Spirit.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Amazing......simply amazing......I have found out a lot of things on AFF.....now another supposed truth of God's Word has been debunked.....

(2Co 5:17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

SMH.....wow.... I am devastated.....just when I thought I could be delivered from sin and my past.......I find out that I am doomed to stay the way I was born until I leave this world.


Rubbish......y'all keep believing in a weak God/gospel, I'll keep believing in a God that doesn't just teach me to cope, but transforms my life each and every day.....until the day when I shall be like him for I shall see him as he is.

So you believe that God delivers us from our carnality? Why then did Paul feel the need to place such emphasis on walking after the Spirit and not after the flesh when writing to people who were already Christians?

God doesn't deliver us from our human struggle. He offers redemption for our human condition. We aren't delivered from flesh until we leave this life.

Why does God need to "transform [your] life each and every day" if you've already been delivered from everything? There's no need for any continuing work; you've been delivered from every temptation, right? You don't struggle with anything? No anger, no malice, no gossip, no strife, no jealousy, no pride, nothing?

Being delivered from the desires and wants and needs and temptations of the flesh is NOT the same thing as being delivered from sin. I Corinthians 10:13 says that God will make a way to escape (temptation); it does NOT say that we will be free from temptation.

I Corinthians 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

Was Paul preaching a weak Gospel there? Preaching that the saints would have temptations (from which they would need to escape), but that God would make sure that they weren't tempted "above that [they] are able."

P.S. I DO believe that God can deliver us from addiction. My Dad was delivered from addiction to alcohol. However, he was still sometimes tempted by alcohol, which is why we avoided restaurants with bars for most of my childhood years. Addiction is a condition, though; not a simple temptation.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Timmy

That's a big "if"!

You didn't address any of my questions or arguments.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by llambert

Have you considered this ministry?

http://vimeo.com/25492604

http://www.lifeministry.org/

Never heard of it but will check it out. Thank you.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Azzan

I sincerely hope that you are not as harsh in person as you come across online.

I waited and believed for a miracle from the time I was 11 until I was 30. It never came. I am 50 years old now now and guess what, it still hasn't came.
I've come to the conclusion that this is my cross to bear for the rest of my life.

Now I'm not saying God can't or won't perform a miracle on my behalf, it's just that I've come to accept that I will always have these desires. And I will have to continue to fight them every single day. It feels hopeless at times.

I don't expect anyone to really understand unless you have experienced what I have been through.

I'm beginning to understand. I hate this flesh sometimes. lol

[Aquila]

Grace...

[navygoat1998]

I have a stupid question is it a sin to have the desire or is the sin to act upon the desire???

When I got saved its seemed as God delivered me from some of my junk from my past only to have it pop up years later as a struggle.

So am I backsliding because my junk has came back or is God doing a new work in me???

[AreYouReady?]

We all have our struggles in life that we desire to overcome with the help of Christ. It must be torture to have this type of fleshly desire, know it is wrong, and confess it to others, taking the chance of receiving scorn for the confession. At least heterosexuals in Christ can marry with the blessings of God.

All our "advice" without ever having experienced this particular problem doesn't mean a whole lot. It's like telling depressed people to 'cheer up'. It's like telling an alcoholic to just stop drinking or a smoker to just lay the cigarettes down.

We have a big compassionate God who is more than able to be touched and hear our cries.

Azzan and others who struggle like him, needs to be uplifted in prayer that God will help him to overcome, to have peace and happiness.

If we say that we care about people, we will do just that...uplift other people in prayer to God for their struggles.

Lord, help me to have more of a borden for others.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I have a stupid question is it a sin to have the desire or is the sin to act upon the desire???

When I got saved its seemed as God delivered me from some of my junk from my past only to have it pop up years later as a struggle.

So am I backsliding because my junk has came back or is God doing a new work in me???

I would say from what I have been reading here that the desire of sin isn't sin until you act upon the desire.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I would say from what I have been reading here that the desire of sin isn't sin until you act upon the desire.

What say ye????