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02-19-2013, 06:36 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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Okay, we can close the thread now.   |
LOL!
Sometimes it's advantageous being born in the shallow end of the philosophical pool!
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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LOL!
Sometimes it's advantageous being born in the shallow end of the philosophical pool!
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02-19-2013, 06:56 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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It is an important clarification, but so is, "...yet WITHOUT sin."
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Well, yes, but that's the one we all agree on. Luke is arguing that temptation excludes any real desire to sin (and he's arguing that because he believes a desire to sin IS sin, and not simply temptation) and I disagree.
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02-19-2013, 06:58 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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The important thing is that he DID NOT sin. Him being God had a lot to do with that...
I think it's pretty much a moot point to argue shoulda coulda woulda... He didn't - He was the Only Begotten.
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Lots of things may not matter in the grander scheme of things; that's never stopped us talking about them in the past.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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02-19-2013, 07:00 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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I have read the thread and didn't see any scriptures that differentiate between a "desire" to sin and a "temptation" to sin.
Also, when you answered "Correct", you were agreeing with my statement:
"To narrow the conversation down further, you are saying that you not only do not sin, but that you never even desire to sin."
Right? I just want to be sure.
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Yes when I said correct I was agreeing with you statement of freedom from sinning and freedom from desire of sin.
Here are three illustrations that show that we can be tempted without having a carnal fallen nature:
1. Adam and Eve were created without a fallen sinful nature yet were tempted and fell.
2. Lucifer was created without a fallen nature and he fell along with a third of the angels.
3. Jesus was born without a fallen nature and yet He also was tempted but He did not sin.
These examples show beyond a doubt that one does not require a fallen nature unordered to be tempted or even unordered to fall to temptation. To say that Jesus had to desire sin unordered to be tempted to sin is to say that when satan offered Him all the Kingdoms of the world if Jesus would simply now down and worship satan is to therein,e Jesus was tempted with satanic worship for gain He desired to sin in this way!!!! To say that is crazy! From the temptations of Jesus alone we see that that temptation without the desire to sin is possible.
What about Job when his wife said curse God and die. Do you actually think Job desired to curse God?
The examples could go on on but these should suffice.
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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Well, yes, but that's the one we all agree on. Luke is arguing that temptation excludes any real desire to sin (and he's arguing that because he believes a desire to sin IS sin, and not simply temptation) and I disagree.
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Wow, that gave me a headache having to read that.
But, you reminded me of a funny conversation I had with my husband. I said, "I don't want to do things wrong - ever. I always want to be good." His reply, "I want to be bad, but God won't let me." 
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02-19-2013, 07:01 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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Well, yes, but that's the one we all agree on. Luke is arguing that temptation excludes any real desire to sin (and he's arguing that because he believes a desire to sin IS sin, and not simply temptation) and I disagree.
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Oh! Now I remember how this relates to the thread topic... About ex-homosexuals being tempted... or not.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-19-2013, 07:08 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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Originally Posted by Luke
Yes when I said correct I was agreeing with you statement of freedom from sinning and freedom from desire of sin.
Here are three illustrations that show that we can be tempted without having a carnal fallen nature:
1. Adam and Eve were created without a fallen sinful nature yet were tempted and fell.
2. Lucifer was created without a fallen nature and he fell along with a third of the angels.
3. Jesus was born without a fallen nature and yet He also was tempted but He did not sin.
These examples show beyond a doubt that one does not require a fallen nature unordered to be tempted or even unordered to fall to temptation. To say that Jesus had to desire sin unordered to be tempted to sin is to say that when satan offered Him all the Kingdoms of the world if Jesus would simply now down and worship satan is to therein,e Jesus was tempted with satanic worship for gain He desired to sin in this way!!!! To say that is crazy! From the temptations of Jesus alone we see that that temptation without the desire to sin is possible.
What about Job when his wife said curse God and die. Do you actually think Job desired to curse God?
The examples could go on on but these should suffice.
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I can agree with Jesus being born without a fallen nature as he was God manifest in flesh.
But, how do you know that Adam, Even and Satan were created without a fallen nature? Genesis 1:31 says God beheld everything He made and called it good, couldn't the good also mean within his creative plan? If they had a choice between obedience and disobedience, that would seem they had a fallen nature present that they must chose between.
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Oh! Now I remember how this relates to the thread topic... About ex-homosexuals being tempted... or not.
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I was going to ask a question here, but I don't know how to word it properly.
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02-19-2013, 07:26 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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He was truly human and God. He could not sin because Sinning is what persons do and His person is God
Second he had a human nature but not a correupted one (see article)
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