Believing in a Lie

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Problem is, if we use that logic, we should preach against too much red meat, fried foods, soda pop, processed foods, sugar, and the list goes on........I know the old "don't defile the temple" justification.....but, it seems to only apply to certain things.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think anyone would have to be an idiot to try and justify cigarettes, just based on health risks.......let common sense take over once in a while........but, to say "lost as two boys kissing"?

I just don't see the correlation......

It is logic, and sadly a logic that isn't applied.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What is the lie Charismatics believe? If you are a UPC Minister Im surprised you were not trained in "standards". Holiness is the entire separation of ones life to the Lord Jesus Christ.

His "standard" is "Be perfect even as the Father in Heaven is perfect". Whatever is taught in the New Testament applies to the saints. A great part of Christian living is to be "pure in heart".

Heart issues are much more wrenching to deal with than dress issues. That does not mean there are no dress issues. Just stay with the New Testament. When they teach from the OT and it is accepted then to be consistent we would have to put ourselves under ANYTHING in the law of Moses.

I was trained in standards for over 40 years, no tv, no jewelry, no shorts, dresses on women, no cutting hair if you are a woman, cut your hair if you are a man, no beards on men, etc etc. Problem is I do not have any real scripture to back any of these.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by houston

Fake. He is a LICENSED minister and doesn't know which verses to take out of context?

LOL, well lets see one of them is Duet 22:5 which isn't real clear on women wearing pants. Of course, that is just one example of many.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The scriptures are pretty standard, no pun intended, they don't change and everyone knows them. I agree - FAKE!

I know the standard scriptures, I just dont agree that they mean what the "holiness group says they mean.

I apologize if I seemed to misrepresent myself on sciptures.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by Cindy

You're a licensed minister and you are NOT versed in matters of holiness?

Well, I meant standards really.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Why don't you just ask your pastor?
And If you have to come here to ask that kind of question and you are a minister makes me wonder if you are really called.

already know what he believes for one. secondly, maybe i'm not called.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Maybe preacherme is thinking that he believes holiness because that is what he was taught and really does not know why he believes holiness standards of dress and hair? He is not well versed in scriptures that UPC says proves it?

It's like people (like me) who were raised in the RCC. We did certain customs because we were raised in those customs. There was no scripture for certain things we did like praying with rosary beads and to Mary and patron saints.

We did it because we were taught to without proof of scripture.

Exactly, thank you for your understanding.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by strait shooter

preacherME is a licensed UPCI minister and hasnt figured Holiness out yet., ..................he is coming to AFF (huh??) for advice. (whats up with that)

Methinks he needs to turn his credentials and get a plumbers license or something like that....it would be more fitting.

your probably right, I just may end up doing just that.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is logic, and sadly a logic that isn't applied.

[PreacherME]

Originally Posted by houston

He's fake.

Why are you calling me fake?