Believing in a Lie - Page 7

Pressing-On · #61 03-01-2013, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Maybe preacherme is thinking that he believes holiness because that is what he was taught and really does not know why he believes holiness standards of dress and hair? He is not well versed in scriptures that UPC says proves it?

It's like people (like me) who were raised in the RCC. We did certain customs because we were raised in those customs. There was no scripture for certain things we did like praying with rosary beads and to Mary and patron saints.

We did it because we were taught to without proof of scripture.

I don't recall the RCC teaching us to become Berean at any time. We just followed along and chanted whatever was in the Missalette.

Pressing-On · #62 03-01-2013, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreacherME

I know the standard scriptures, I just dont agree that they mean what the "holiness group says they mean.

I apologize if I seemed to misrepresent myself on sciptures.

You didn't misrepresent yourself concerning scripture. You misrepresented yourself that you had been around the UPC all of your life. - "I'm not versed in the matters of holiness." Did you live under a rock all your "years" in the UPC?

PreacherME · #63 03-01-2013, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You didn't misrepresent yourself concerning scripture. You misrepresented yourself that you had been around the UPC all of your life. - "I'm not versed in the matters of holiness." Did you live under a rock all your "years" in the UPC?

do you know me?

Pressing-On · #64 03-01-2013, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreacherME

do you know me?

I am saying that if you can say, which you did in your opening post, "I'm not versed in the matters of holiness", then I doubt you have been around the UPC all of your life. The teaching is there ad nauseum. lol! The onus is on you. You are simply coming across as a poser, IMO.

PreacherME · #65 03-01-2013, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am saying that if you can say, which you did in your opening post, "I'm not versed in the matters of holiness", then I doubt you have been around the UPC all of your life. The teaching is there ad nauseum. lol! The onus is on you. You are simply coming across as a poser, IMO.

Okay, except for the time I was backslid as a young adult I have been nothing but UPC. I was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the precious gift of the Holy Ghost when I was 9. my parents and grandparents were and are Apostolic. I am not a poser And i should have said I am not versed in standards as a part of holiness. I hope that makes it better.

Cindy · #66 03-01-2013, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am saying that if you can say, which you did in your opening post, "I'm not versed in the matters of holiness", then I doubt you have been around the UPC all of your life. The teaching is there ad nauseum. lol! The onus is on you. You are simply coming across as a poser, IMO.

Ummm, I think he is trying to separate holiness and outward standards. When most UPC believe they are one and the same. And he has been studying the Word, and can't find any scripture to support without jumping through hoops. Do I have that right, PreacherME?

PreacherME · #67 03-01-2013, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy

Ummm, I think he is trying to separate holiness and outward standards. When most UPC believe they are one and the same. And he has been studying the Word, and can't find any scripture to support without jumping through hoops. Do I have that right, PreacherME?

Exactly!!!!! Thanks Cindy.

Pressing-On · #68 03-01-2013, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreacherME

Okay, except for the time I was backslid as a young adult I have been nothing but UPC. I was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the precious gift of the Holy Ghost when I was 9. my parents and grandparents were and are Apostolic. I am not a poser And i should have said I am not versed in standards as a part of holiness. I hope that makes it better.

I see what you are saying, except, for a licensed minister, it seems you would have laid out the argument differently in your opening post. I have read all of the books that you are required to read to receive your license and so, I suppose what I wanted from you is scripture references you had conflict with to bolster your case.

It's just that you are coming across as an outsider when you say, as you did in your opening post, "Last night my pastor preached about holiness without giving real scripture. This is quite confusing." How are you generational, got as far as being licensed and still confused about that? The whole concept, with their view of scripture is spoken, as I said, ad nauseum. I could see a saint in the church being confused, but not a licensed minister. That's all I'm saying.

I am currently in a political discussion on Twitter, so maybe I need to finish that and regroup here as less intense.

houston · #69 03-01-2013, 10:08 AM

They ask questions about that stuff before handing out the Mickey Mouse Club membership cards.

You don't get into the club without affirming that Daisy Duck's dress is immodest, pants on Minnie will send her to hell, and Donald quacks in tongues.

Digging4Truth · #70 03-01-2013, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath

Some pentecostals, go by the motto of "better safe than sorry", when it comes to holiness standards. What i mean, is even if they dont have it all right, atleast they can have the comfort of telling god they did their best.
I guess.

Reading this post the thought comes to my mind...

"better safe than sorry" is simply this... trusting in works. It can be seen no other way.

Thanks for your post