To tithe or not to tithe? - Page 14

Praxeas · #**131** 03-07-2013, 04:58 PM

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Did I say they were to go on visitation during working hours????

Did I say you said that??????

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Or one person should take the time out every day to visit when there are many in the body???

Or that?

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Most people do have to do the things you posted above Prax.

It does not change the FACTS I just presented. They can't do it full time because they are working 8-12 hours a day and have families to take care of and other family duties

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All I am saying is that all the people should want to share in the duties of the ministry because we are all supposed to be ministers in the word and in deed. To delegate and pay one man to do all of the physical and spiritual work of the local church body is quite frankly....stupid. A congregation will work a poor man to death because they are paying him and get sloppy lazy on their own commitments to the Lord.

And all I am saying is, in the context of this discussion on full time Ministers and tithing, they can WANT to share in it all they want to but they can't do it full time unless they quit their jobs and or neglect their families and other duties

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But since people want to do it that way...that is ok with me. I get tired of hearing all of the bellyaching about the lack of tithing and the disproportionate amount of work for one man when there are so many different ways the body of Christ can work together to labor in the Lord.

that really has nothing to do with what I have been discussing

AreYouReady? · #**132** 03-07-2013, 05:02 PM

Never mind Prax.

You are not on the same page as I.

You haven't a clue as to what I am trying to convey.

Praxeas · #**133** 03-07-2013, 05:06 PM

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Never mind Prax.

You are not on the same page as I.

You haven't a clue as to what I am trying to convey.

On the contrary, you were not on the same page as I was and had no clue as to the point I was making. That or you were just intentionally obfuscating my point

AreYouReady? · #**134** 03-07-2013, 05:12 PM

Of course you are going to be contrary to me. You sound like a bitter old man accusing me of something I did not do nor had any intention of doing.

YOU engaged my post first without even thinking about what I am trying to convey.

Rudy · #**135** 03-07-2013, 05:12 PM

Oh My! this issue just won't go away!

AreYouReady? · #**136** 03-07-2013, 05:13 PM

Rudy...this thread is just a stupid repeat of all the other tithe threads on this vast forum.

There will always be those who say tithing is necessary today and there will always be those who do not agree.

Praxeas · #**137** 03-07-2013, 05:16 PM

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Of course you are going to be contrary to me. You sound like a bitter old man accusing me of something I did not do nor had any intention of doing.

YOU engaged my post first without even thinking about what I am trying to convey.

Where did I accuse you of anything? lol WOW...and you say I sound like a bitter old man?

DaveC519 · #**138** 03-07-2013, 05:17 PM

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Prax, I have always had a hard time understanding why only the pastor does these things?

Are there not any spiritual men who can go and visit the sick and pray with them?

Are there not any handy men in the church who after their jobs can go and fix things?

Isn't the body of Christ supposed to fit like a glove and work together to spread the gospel and pray with each other, see after each other's needs?

AreYouReady,

I realize you addressed this to Prax, but I'd like to throw in my two-cents worth.

From my own observations and experience, I see that many pastors shoulder an undue amount of the workload in a church for more than one reason. One reason is that they've either never learned to delegate, or they choose not to. But even Moses had to learn how to delegate, in both civil (Ex 18:13-26) and spiritual (Nu 11:16-17) matters.

Another reason is that there are some in the flock that are all too happy to let the pastor do it all, since he's the one on the payroll. But just as Moses cried out to God for help, so pastors must seek God to raise up help for him, and then seek God how to train them.

And some pastors have the personality type which compels them NOT to delegate because they think it would just be faster and more efficient to do something themselves rather than train someone else to do it. While this might be true in the short term, it will inevitably put them on a fast track to burnout.

Praxeas · #**139** 03-07-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Never mind Prax.

You are not on the same page as I.

You haven't a clue as to what I am trying to convey.

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On the contrary, you were not on the same page as I was and had no clue as to the point I was making. That or you were just intentionally obfuscating my point

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Of course you are going to be contrary to me. You sound like a bitter old man accusing me of something I did not do nor had any intention of doing.

YOU engaged my post first without even thinking about what I am trying to convey.

you know it's amazing when you post something like you did to me, then when I reciprocate you get belligerent.

AreYouReady? · #**140** 03-07-2013, 05:20 PM

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Where did I accuse you of anything? lol WOW...and you say I sound like a bitter old man?

You don't consider casting a doubt on my intentions an accusation?

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On the contrary, you were not on the same page as I was and had no clue as to the point I was making. That or you were just intentionally obfuscating my point

Sorry, but I do consider your words to be an accusation.