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Old 03-08-2013, 03:42 PM
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Re: To tithe or not to tithe?

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Why don't I have to do it??


Where under Mosaic Law money is used as a tithe?
As I said we are not under law... and I already posted were it says it could be redeemed
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:21 PM
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As I said we are not under law... and I already posted were it says it could be redeemed

It could be redeemed to buy food?
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Old 03-08-2013, 05:32 PM
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It could be redeemed to buy food?
No....just read the verse
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:20 AM
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I agree Dave. Jethro told Moses that it wasn't a good thing for him to sit and
judge the people all the day long.

This is the point I am trying to make that since we are all in the body of Christ, we are all supposed to share in the duties of the ministry and in deed.
The pastor is but one man and Christ is the head, and the rest of the people are parts of the body of Christ...right down to the little toe joint.

We as christians waste a lot of money on mortgages, utilities and many other things that the money could be put to better use.
You'll get no argument from me on that. But that raises an even bigger question: are we prepared to go back to meeting in people's houses, in caves, in underground tunnels and out in the open fields? That would sure save a lot of money.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:23 AM
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I moved a year ago. I visited a church for a few months. Then my schedule changed. Haven't attended anywhere since.
I will be in prayer with you that the Lord opens a door for you to lead you to a good church.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:38 AM
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Hello Scott,

I read the article. It reminds me of some of Robert Skinner's arguments. I wonder if he's connected to this website.

The author is building his case on some misconceptions, and ultimately, is fighting against a Strawman.

One misconception is that the passage in 2 Corinthians 9 is about tithes. It's about a freewill offering Paul was collecting from the churches for the saints in Palestine.
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Old 03-09-2013, 07:47 AM
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Pro-tithers are the ones who use mosaic law and then back off when it falls apart running to Ole Abraham.
In my opinion, nowhere under the New Covenant is a Levitical tithe advocated. There is a tithe under the New Covenant, but not a Levitical one.

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We must find a command and work off of that.
You mean like the one in 1Cor 9:14?

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So Abraham tithed war booty, so what.
Why did Abraham tithe at all? What was his purpose in tithing?

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The forever tithe principle falls apart under the mosaic law when we see ALL did not tithe.
That's why there is no Levitical tithe advocated under the New Covenant.

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How could Jacob bargain with God if he was suppose to be tithing?
Isn't it interesting that God actually honored Jacob's "bargain"? And if God honored his end of the bargain, did Jacob? And to whom did Jacob pay his tithe?

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The forever principle has to many holes in it to be doctrine.
Only if it's based upon the Levitical tithe. We see the Levitical system was only paranthetical to God's overall plan, being inferior to the Melchisedec system which both preceded and succeeded it.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:25 AM
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You'll get no argument from me on that. But that raises an even bigger question: are we prepared to go back to meeting in people's houses, in caves, in underground tunnels and out in the open fields? That would sure save a lot of money.
Yep.

People will hear about the move of God, the healings, the blessings of the Holy Ghost. They will feel free to come as they are to receive a blessing. And perhaps we will have more supernatural moves from the Lord our God in these meetings when money is completely taken out of the way.

Any offerings would go to the people who are truly suffering financially and it might just be the pastor at that moment.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:36 AM
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True but as I said earlier the tithe isn't merely an OT law. We are not under the law so why do we need to go point by point by the law? It's a principle and the tithe predates the law when Abraham tithed the booty he got from war.
Praxeas,

How isn’t tithing solely under the Old Testament? You mentioned tithing principles. Which principle was God establishing with the following event?

Genesis 28:22-22 reads:

20) Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “if God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear

21) so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the LORD will be my God

22) and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”


We clearly read Jacob giving God terms and conditions, which God must adhere to before Jacob gave a tenth of “his” possessions. In short, Jacob states, God, only if you bless me first, then shall I give you a tenth! This in itself contradicts modern-day tithe teachings. Again, which principle was god establishing when he agreed to Jacob’s terms? As we read Jacob’s story, it’s evident that God accepted Jacob’s proposition.


In regard to Abraham’s tithe, that’s an awesome name, by the way, I never understood the logic of those utilizing that isolated event to reinforce modern-day tithing.

We read in Hebrews 7:1 and Hebrews 7:4,

1)For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all,

4) Consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.


Before continuing I read an article, explaining is was customary in that era to give a tenth of war spoils to kings. Though it may have some similarity to tithing (i.e. percentage), it had no affiliation to tithing. We’ve read where tithing derived from personal possessions (i.e. cattle, crops ,etc.).

How did Abraham tithe from items that weren’t of “his” possession? That contradicts the principle of tithing. Furthermore, the bible reads in Genesis 14 that Abraham kept none of the spoils for himself. So Abraham gave a tenth of war spoils, from stolen items, of which he kept none for himself? Sorry, that contradicts Old Testament tithing. Moreover, how does biblical personal possession tithing correlate to stolen property tithing (if such thing exist)?


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I remember my husband coming home from a Sunday morning service when the preacher collected the tithe and offerings. After it was received in the plate, he took the money and lifted it up high over his head, prayed over the money and asked the Lord to receive the money. The preacher spoke in tongues and was about to give the interpretation when he squelched the interpretation and said that "God has received the offering".

At that point, another person in the congregation spoke in tongues and somebody else gave the interpretation. It was interpreted, You were in Me, then you were out of Me. You need to decide whether you want to be in Me or out of Me.

Could it be that money offering to be liken the same as the one Cain offered in that it was not pleasing to God?

God wants us to have our bodies to be a living sacrifice. He will mold us and shape us into what is acceptable to Him and not a grocery list of man's interpretation of do's and don'ts.
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