To tithe or not to tithe?

[Rudy]

In my opinion, nowhere under the New Covenant is a Levitical tithe advocated. There is a tithe under the New Covenant, but not a Levitical one.

Where is a tithe of money commanded for the new covenant?

You mean like the one in 1Cor 9:14?

I see no command to tithe money here.

Why did Abraham tithe at all? What was his purpose in tithing

Answer the questions IMO does not show tithing money in the new covenant. Guessing- Customary, possibly land tax.

Isn't it interesting that God actually honored Jacob's "bargain"? And if God honored his end of the bargain, did Jacob? And to whom did Jacob pay his tithe?

Answer the questions IMO does not show tithing money in the new covenant. Guessing-to the poor.

Only if it's based upon the Levitical tithe. We see the Levitical system was only paranthetical to God's overall plan, being inferior to the Melchisedec system which both preceded and succeeded it.

Where is it recorded it succeeded it?

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Gal 3
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit[e] through faith.

In 2 Pet 2, the Apostle Peter called those wicked persons who feasted among the children of the Lord "cursed" (vs. 14). They were cursed because they had "forsaken the right way" (vs. 15). So, we see even in the NT, disobedience incurs the curse of God.

Also, if my Pastor does not want to receive financial support from the church, who do I "pay my tithe" to? to avoid being cursed??

You would bring it to the place where you regularly worship. Your pastor, like the Apostle Paul, may choose not to exercise his right to ministerial support, but it remains his right.

[Praxeas]

Put it in God's storehouse for the poor saints that need it.

[Cindy]

Why doesn't everyone that want to tithe, tithe. And those that don't, don't?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

In 2 Pet 2, the Apostle Peter called those wicked persons who feasted among the children of the Lord "cursed" (vs. 14). They were cursed because they had "forsaken the right way" (vs. 15). So, we see even in the NT, disobedience incurs the curse of God.

Ummm..those guys Peter was talking about DEPARTED from walking in Christ. They were NO LONGER in Christ.

2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

A person cannot be UNDER the curse of God if they're in Christ. That's the whole point of the cross.

Originally Posted by DaveC519

You would bring it to the place where you regularly worship. Your pastor, like the Apostle Paul, may choose not to exercise his right to ministerial support, but it remains his right.

Wait, let me get this straight, if my Pastor has said UNEQUIVOCALLY that he will not receive tithes, which means I do not need to bring tithes to my place of worship. So I am not cursed in that case.

But if the Pastor decides to receive tithes, and I do not bring it, I am cursed.

Cool, the solution is very simple to me: "Go to a church where the pastor does not receive tithes...and you won't be cursed."

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ummm..those guys Peter was talking about DEPARTED from walking in Christ. They were NO LONGER in Christ.

2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

A person cannot be UNDER the curse of God if they're in Christ. That's the whole point of the cross.




Wait, let me get this straight, if my Pastor has said UNEQUIVOCALLY that he will not receive tithes, which means I do not need to bring tithes to my place of worship. So I am not cursed in that case.

But if the Pastor decides to receive tithes, and I do not bring it, I am cursed.

Cool, the solution is very simple to me: "Go to a church where the pastor does not receive tithes...and you won't be cursed."

You ain't right.......

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Why doesn't everyone that want to tithe, tithe. And those that don't, don't?

Oh, I don't think that's the problem. The problem is when people teach things like:
"You're robbing God"
"You are under God's curse"
"You are hell bound"

for not tithing...That's where the problem is. Putting people UNDER bondage after Christ has set them free.

The Apostle Paul fought tooth and nail against putting people back in bondage.

As an example, Paul did not care if people wanted to be circumcised (as per OT), he said it profits nothing. He was pretty much indifferent. If you want to tithe, that's good. Do it unto the Lord.

However, when it came to the Jews teaching other Christians that "Except you are circumcised, you can't be saved." That's where Paul did not spare those legalists at all. In the same way, when some are teaching legalism with regards to tithing, well it should be exposed.

Gal 2
4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—
5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Cindy

You ain't right.......

...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Oh, I don't think that's the problem. The problem is when people teach things like:
"You're robbing God"
"You are under God's curse"
"You are hell bound"

for not tithing...That's where the problem is. Putting people UNDER bondage after Christ has set them free.

The Apostle Paul fought tooth and nail against putting people back in bondage.

As an example, Paul did not care if people wanted to be circumcised (as per OT), he said it profits nothing. He was pretty much indifferent. If you want to tithe, that's good. Do it unto the Lord.

However, when it came to the Jews teaching other Christians that "Except you are circumcised, you can't be saved." That's where Paul did not spare those legalists at all. In the same way, when some are teaching legalism with regards to tithing, well it should be exposed.

Gal 2
4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery—
5 to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you

[TGBTG]

What is funny is Paul was not even appealing to tithes in 1 Cor 9. He was appealing to Levitical duties that were performed in the temple.

1 Cor 9 (KJV)
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

1 Cor 9 (ESV)
13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?

Leviticus 2
1 And when any will offer a meat offering unto the Lord, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
2 And he shall bring it to Aaron's sons the priests: and he shall take thereout his handful of the flour thereof, and of the oil thereof, with all the frankincense thereof; and the priest shall burn the memorial of it upon the altar, to be an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord:
3 And the remnant of the meat offering shall be Aaron's and his sons': it is a thing most holy of the offerings of the Lord made by fire.

The levites were to eat whatever was left of the sacrifices offered in the temple. And Paul was saying by the Lord's command "Support those that preach the gospel"

It does not even have to be money. Yes, money is probably one of the easiest ways to support, but it does not have to be money.