Christians and how they make everything...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What provoked them to say



Thats what I am addressing.

Okay, which post was he talking about?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Okay, which post was he talking about?

Well I looked over the thread and I saw nothing whatsoever that would connect any post in this thread to a discussion about fearing for ones safety.

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

a spiritual event or awakening.

Someones loved one dies and the only way they fine something good out of it is to think "revival is coming." They make statement about the person and somehow they come in contactwith someone and oh it is a sign of this orthat about that person. Person could have not lived for God or gone to church in years but that won't stop them from putting them through the gates of heaven because of xyz sign. I have seen people totally be inconsistent with theology to ignore the obvious. I know it is hard and a horrible situation. You def don't want to hurt anyone or make it worse. Yet people will make comments they know is wrong as well to BE POSITIVE. In the end they are lying to their beliefs.

I see this in other things. A girl half in half out of church sleeps around talks about God. Gets pregnant is not getting married but still living with the guy and talks about how God has been guiding her life and this little one into her life. REALLY? Friends and family on facebook be all nice talking about God as if she actually is living for him.

Why are people so MUST BE POSITIVE instead of simply don't say anything at all. Is that not lying and making it worse? Sure don't go ripping them apart but wow just throw out what you believe to be nice. It absolutely drives me crazy.

the Bible says not to throw your pearls to swine.the people you speak of could know what they're saying or doing is wrong (according to the Bible) but they don't want to hear it.

There was a girl on another message board who asked if withcraft was bad. When i told her the bible says it was a sin she called me judgemental and self righteous.

Sometimes the seed falls on stony ground.

[deafdriscoll]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Oh stop it! We are talking about blantant stuff that is not even questionable that people say and know. This is about the position THAT THEY ARE AND PEOPLE DO WHAT I SAID ALL THE TIME! Also this is more about what people BELIEVE and then do JUST the opposite of what they believe and say things that are contradictive to be nice. In part yes we don't know a persons destiny though we may have a good idea of their destiny BUT the ISSUE is people SAYING THEY ARE is just as BAD as saying THEY ARE NOT in heaven. Somehow everyone makes it WRONG to judge someone NEGATIVELY and not POSTIVELY. You still are bearing false witness. Espcially when everyone knows pregnant lady is inconsistent with things. Then her boyfriend and her break up and she goes. Wow you really never know somone until you live with them. YET YOU JUST SAID IT WAS ALL GOD THAT brought about a bastard child, sex outside of marriage all the while claiming God leading your life and thanking him for THIS blessing. Oh yeah... makes sense while OTHER CHRISTIANS support this speaking nothing but how God is blessing you while still in sin. PATHETIC! The whole LOVE IS ALWAYS positive is a lie. Love might not say something but love does not sit there and bear false witness while lacking knowledge and claiming someone in heaven or supporting someones thought process that God is leading their life and calling results of sin a blessings directed by God.

childern born outside marriage are not b&%!@ childern as a christian i could never say that. My Lord and savior was conceived by the HOLY Spirit who chose a mother that was not married.Otherwise he was conceived outside of marriage.

[deafdriscoll]

Originally Posted by Cindy

He said he was threatened with death by family members that were Catholic, and accused of being crazy for his beliefs.

thank you cindy for your kindness. I thought that a quote i picked was with my my statement. We are to have compassion and the love of christ. As a christian I try to remember that we are to be like christ and speak in love.

[Michael The Disciple]

Talking "nice" is not always "love".

Was Jesus mean and judgmental when he warned that one sin not overcome could cost one their life in Hell Fire?

Mark 9:43-48


9:43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having your two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire, 9:44 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’ 9:45 If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame, rather than having your two feet to be cast into Gehenna, into the fire that will never be quenched— 9:46 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’ 9:47 If your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out. It is better for you to enter into the Kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire, 9:48 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’*

Was Jesus mean and judgmental? No! He was a man of love and peace. Yet he recognized that sin.....was against the Fathers will. He was first and foremost a lover of his Father.

He knew the wrath of God was coming against sin he came to save sinners. He did not care if they were religous sinners or worldly sinners. He knew they would face destruction in Gehenna Fire.

When we warn people today to flee from sin we are not trying to hurt their feelings. We are trying to help build them up in the faith to be overcomers that they may enter the Heavenly Kingdom.

To point out sins and inconsistencies is necessary. Sometimes it may come through mean, judgmental hypocrites. Nonetheless if the shoe fits wear it.

The goal for us all is to be like Jesus. God is love. God is a consuming fire. Let us offer HIM our lives to do his will. Perhaps we can also help someone else along the way.

[jen4yeshua]

Originally Posted by deafdriscoll

childern born outside marriage are not b&%!@ childern as a christian i could never say that. My Lord and savior was conceived by the HOLY Spirit who chose a mother that was not married.Otherwise he was conceived outside of marriage.

Just for the record, I was one of those bastard children. It was off-the-cuff comments like that by people that contributed to me staying away from church for several years. A child does not ask to be brought into the world and they don't deserve to be labelled for the sake of cheap point scoring.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Talking "nice" is not always "love".

Was Jesus mean and judgmental when he warned that one sin not overcome could cost one their life in Hell Fire?

Mark 9:43-48


9:43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having your two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire, 9:44 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’ 9:45 If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame, rather than having your two feet to be cast into Gehenna, into the fire that will never be quenched— 9:46 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’ 9:47 If your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out. It is better for you to enter into the Kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire, 9:48 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’*

Was Jesus mean and judgmental? No! He was a man of love and peace. Yet he recognized that sin.....was against the Fathers will. He was first and foremost a lover of his Father.

He knew the wrath of God was coming against sin he came to save sinners. He did not care if they were religous sinners or worldly sinners. He knew they would face destruction in Gehenna Fire.

When we warn people today to flee from sin we are not trying to hurt their feelings. We are trying to help build them up in the faith to be overcomers that they may enter the Heavenly Kingdom.

To point out sins and inconsistencies is necessary. Sometimes it may come through mean, judgmental hypocrites. Nonetheless if the shoe fits wear it.

The goal for us all is to be like Jesus. God is love. God is a consuming fire. Let us offer HIM our lives to do his will. Perhaps we can also help someone else along the way.

I am amazed at the watering down even in this thread. As I said before people that lack any judgment at all are just as unrighteous as those who are unrighteously judgmental in their actions. They categorize it as mercy, grace and a whole host of things incorrectly. God's mercy and grace are never realized without a righteous reason. In the end many people bear false witness by their lack of speaking the truth and perpetuating a lie by being positive and putting God in the middle of something he clearly is not. All for the sake of being nice and not judgmental. Yes things can be done in consideration of everyone and in love that does not mean you say things just to support someones emotional state during whatever issue and again to keep perpetuating a lie.

also amazed people how people don't follow context. Grab a word and just go off on a tangent outside of the context it was meant. smh

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

a spiritual event or awakening.

Someones loved one dies and the only way they fine something good out of it is to think "revival is coming." They make statement about the person and somehow they come in contactwith someone and oh it is a sign of this orthat about that person. Person could have not lived for God or gone to church in years but that won't stop them from putting them through the gates of heaven because of xyz sign. I have seen people totally be inconsistent with theology to ignore the obvious. I know it is hard and a horrible situation. You def don't want to hurt anyone or make it worse. Yet people will make comments they know is wrong as well to BE POSITIVE. In the end they are lying to their beliefs.

I see this in other things. A girl half in half out of church sleeps around talks about God. Gets pregnant is not getting married but still living with the guy and talks about how God has been guiding her life and this little one into her life. REALLY? Friends and family on facebook be all nice talking about God as if she actually is living for him.

Why are people so MUST BE POSITIVE instead of simply don't say anything at all. Is that not lying and making it worse? Sure don't go ripping them apart but wow just throw out what you believe to be nice. It absolutely drives me crazy.

I understand what you're saying. I've seen the same kinds of things. I think that for many, if not most, it's just trying to be positive.

However, I think it's grounded in one's worldview. Some believe that only God is the author of life and that life is sacred. They'd ask... does God make mistakes? If not, the child is God's will. If so, do we label the child a "mistake" for the rest of their lives???

It may also depend on how one views sin and God's plan. For many, sin is a deed done and any "law violating" deed is sin. For others, sin is a principle in our flesh under which we are all equally condemned and so they judge no one. They see sin as inevitable and believe that one reaps what they sow in this life... and that God uses "sin" in His divine plan, though it is something that rends His heart.

For example, these individuals might point out that David committed adultery with Bathsheba. I believe she was like, David's eighth wife or something. Anyway, her name translates, "daughter of the oath", or... "daughter of promise". They see Bathsheba as David's "promised wife" and that had David been patient... he most likely would have been able to have her lawfully in God's plan. But David got ahead of God... and so paid the price... the life of his first born and continual family problems. Yet... God didn't write David off. Instead... God turned it around and blessed David with Solomon, the wisest king Israel ever had. Also, God blessed Israel through Bathsheba... she saved the entire nation twice. Here, in the story of David, the "other woman" that David committed adultery with... became one of Israel's greatest queens.

God works in mysterious ways. Sometimes... it might be better to lift up God in a situation, trust His plan, and see what He does with a situation in the long term.

P.S.
It also may depend on one's view of civil marriage. People are increasingly getting leary of civil marriages (government marriages). More and more couples are choosing private relationships because the institution of marriage today has become such a high stakes gamble... not to mention... the state is increasingly modifying it to accomodate immorality and "no fault" divorce. So, some seriously consider the ol' "married in the eyes of God" thing. Here's a thread where this is being discussed...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=42501

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I understand what you're saying. I've seen the same kinds of things. I think that for many, if not most, it's just trying to be positive.

However, I think it's grounded in one's worldview. Some believe that only God is the author of life and that life is sacred. They'd ask... does God make mistakes? If not, the child is God's will. If so, do we label the child a "mistake" for the rest of their lives???

That would get into the view God control everything. God is the author of life. He set the natural laws in place. However our use of those laws are not directly his will. Saying God's authored her choosing to have sex outside of marriage is heretical. God using her sin is another thing completely. Her continuing in sin and not getting married because we "just don't get along" is contradictive statements to that GOd put them togethor yet never married for the longest time and in the end did not. Simple point is she and him where all over the place and calling their sin GOD working in mysterious ways and calling it a blessing. Then people calling the child a direct blessing of God when in the end it was a result of sinful acts. Sure a child can be a blessing later but to call the conception and it a direct BLESSING AUTHORED by God is pitiful.

It may also depend on how one views sin and God's plan. For many, sin is a deed done and any "law violating" deed is sin. For others, sin is a principle in our flesh under which we are all equally condemned and so they judge no one. They see sin as inevitable and believe that one reaps what they sow in this life... and that God uses "sin" in His divine plan, though it is something that rends His heart.

While yes God can USE the "result" of sin for his will. His will was not authored in bringing about that sin or situation. This is where the line is constantly crossed and the sin minimized among Christians.

For example, these individuals might point out that David committed adultery with Bathsheba. I believe she was like, David's eighth wife or something. Anyway, her name translates, "daughter of the oath", or... "daughter of promise". They see Bathsheba as David's "promised wife" and that had David been patient... he most likely would have been able to have her lawfully in God's plan. But David got ahead of God... and so paid the price... the life of his first born and continual family problems. Yet... God didn't write David off. Instead... God turned it around and blessed David with Solomon, the wisest king Israel ever had. Also, God blessed Israel through Bathsheba... she saved the entire nation twice. Here, in the story of David, the "other woman" that David committed adultery with... became one of Israel's greatest queens.

God works in mysterious ways. Sometimes... it might be better to lift up God in a situation, trust His plan, and see what He does with a situation in the long term.

See above. God using the result of failure and him bringing about or authoring it is the issue. You have people talking about all the time being closer to God and partying it up on the weekend and saying insane stuff on FB. No different on how people do things when it comes to emotional issues. It seems if they use the word GOD and WILL or PLAN enough in their posts it makes the whole situation ok and people just ignore the rest of it. As I said unjust postivity(judgment) is just as much a sin as negative judgment.

P.S.
It also may depend on one's view of civil marriage. People are increasingly getting leary of civil marriages (government marriages). More and more couples are choosing private relationships because the institution of marriage today has become such a high stakes gamble... not to mention... the state is increasingly modifying it to accomodate immorality and "no fault" divorce. So, some seriously consider the ol' "married in the eyes of God" thing. Here's a thread where this is being discussed...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=42501[/QUOTE]

I don't believe in government marriage. Also this person has no concept of those type issues and was not what was going on.