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Aquila · #41 03-11-2013, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

That would get into the view God control everything. God is the author of life. He set the natural laws in place. However our use of those laws are not directly his will. Saying God's authored her choosing to have sex outside of marriage is heretical. God using her sin is another thing completely. Her continuing in sin and not getting married because we "just don't get along" is contradictive statements to that GOd put them togethor yet never married for the longest time and in the end did not. Simple point is she and him where all over the place and calling their sin GOD working in mysterious ways and calling it a blessing. Then people calling the child a direct blessing of God when in the end it was a result of sinful acts. Sure a child can be a blessing later but to call the conception and it a direct BLESSING AUTHORED by God is pitiful.

While yes God can USE the "result" of sin for his will. His will was not authored in bringing about that sin or situation. This is where the line is constantly crossed and the sin minimized among Christians.

See above. God using the result of failure and him bringing about or authoring it is the issue. You have people talking about all the time being closer to God and partying it up on the weekend and saying insane stuff on FB. No different on how people do things when it comes to emotional issues. It seems if they use the word GOD and WILL or PLAN enough in their posts it makes the whole situation ok and people just ignore the rest of it. As I said unjust postivity(judgment) is just as much a sin as negative judgment.

P.S.
It also may depend on one's view of civil marriage. People are increasingly getting leary of civil marriages (government marriages). More and more couples are choosing private relationships because the institution of marriage today has become such a high stakes gamble... not to mention... the state is increasingly modifying it to accomodate immorality and "no fault" divorce. So, some seriously consider the ol' "married in the eyes of God" thing. Here's a thread where this is being discussed...

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=42501

I don't believe in government marriage. Also this person has no concept of those type issues and was not what was going on.

You have very good points. What do you think being hard on them will accomplish? They've already messed up. And trust me, they know it. Can you give them hope and grace... praying that God have His way?

LUKE2447 · #42 03-11-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

You have very good points. What do you think being hard on them will accomplish? They've already messed up. And trust me, they know it. Can you give them hope and grace... praying that God have His way?

A person should doing everything in love but with truth. My point is mainly about the people that perpetuate lies of support like they do concerning those comments. It's one thing for the person in sin to justify the sin etc... It is a whole different issue concerning other MUST be positive comments people make ignoring things THEY KNOW, just so they are not judgmental. Being hard is relative. Being just is not. You can only speak of a possible hope and grace should they repent and talk about seeking God. It simply comes down to people justify ANYTHING POSITIVE anymore whether they are true to their beliefs or not just to NOT be thought of as judgmental. In the end BOTH are wrong as both are false witness.

Aquila · #43 03-11-2013, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

A person should doing everything in love but with truth. My point is mainly about the people that perpetuate lies of support like they do concerning those comments. It's one thing for the person in sin to justify the sin etc... It is a whole different issue concerning other MUST be positive comments people make ignoring things THEY KNOW, just so they are not judgmental. Being hard is relative. Being just is not. You can only speak of a possible hope and grace should they repent and talk about seeking God. It simply comes down to people justify ANYTHING POSITIVE anymore whether they are true to their beliefs or not just to NOT be thought of as judgmental. In the end BOTH are wrong as both are false witness.

I can see giving words of support for a new mother and her child under any circumstance... even if the situation were sinful. I can see giving the couple words of support and encouraging them to marry. God will give them space to come to realization and conviction. But there will come a point wherein they will have to make that decision or God will send corrective judgments. These judgments often result in splitting the couple or drawing them together in marriage.

Paul wrote...

1 Corinthians 7:8-9 (ESV)
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Truth is... some folks can't control their sexual needs. They should look to marry if this is the case. We should encourage them to grow in their relationship and marry. Healthy people need to have all their needs met (psychological, spiritual, and physical). Also, a child needs a stable home.

Give grace. Be compassionate. Encourage marriage. God will lead the couple into marriage... or reveal their hearts to one another and split the couple.

jen4yeshua · #44 03-11-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I can see giving words of support for a new mother and her child under any circumstance... even if the situation were sinful. I can see giving the couple words of support and encouraging them to marry. God will give them space to come to realization and conviction. But there will come a point wherein they will have to make that decision or God will send corrective judgments. These judgments often result in splitting the couple or drawing them together in marriage.

Paul wrote...

1 Corinthians 7:8-9 (ESV)
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Truth is... some folks can't control their sexual needs. They should look to marry if this is the case. We should encourage them to grow in their relationship and marry. Healthy people need to have all their needs met (psychological, spiritual, and physical). Also, a child needs a stable home.

Give grace. Be compassionate. Encourage marriage. God will lead the couple into marriage... or reveal their hearts to one another and split the couple.

deafdriscoll · #45 03-11-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jen4yeshua

Just for the record, I was one of those bastard children. It was off-the-cuff comments like that by people that contributed to me staying away from church for several years. A child does not ask to be brought into the world and they don't deserve to be labelled for the sake of cheap point scoring.

i agree with you completely.I feel that someone was seriously wrong. they knew better. God Bless you friend.

jen4yeshua · #46 03-11-2013, 05:38 PM

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i agree with you completely.I feel that someone was seriously wrong. they knew better. God Bless you friend.

Thank you for your compassion! The truth is that there are many people impacted by the choices of their parents in this way and many of those people would not set foot in a church because of fear of judgement. God is full of mercy and rich in compassion. No-one is free from sin but some people seem to delight in pointing fingers when they need to be extending a helping hand.

jen4yeshua · #47 03-12-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Oh stop it! We are talking about blantant stuff that is not even questionable that people say and know. This is about the position THAT THEY ARE AND PEOPLE DO WHAT I SAID ALL THE TIME! Also this is more about what people BELIEVE and then do JUST the opposite of what they believe and say things that are contradictive to be nice. In part yes we don't know a persons destiny though we may have a good idea of their destiny BUT the ISSUE is people SAYING THEY ARE is just as BAD as saying THEY ARE NOT in heaven. Somehow everyone makes it WRONG to judge someone NEGATIVELY and not POSTIVELY. You still are bearing false witness. Espcially when everyone knows pregnant lady is inconsistent with things. Then her boyfriend and her break up and she goes. Wow you really never know somone until you live with them. YET YOU JUST SAID IT WAS ALL GOD THAT brought about a bastard child, sex outside of marriage all the while claiming God leading your life and thanking him for THIS blessing. Oh yeah... makes sense while OTHER CHRISTIANS support this speaking nothing but how God is blessing you while still in sin. PATHETIC! The whole LOVE IS ALWAYS positive is a lie. Love might not say something but love does not sit there and bear false witness while lacking knowledge and claiming someone in heaven or supporting someones thought process that God is leading their life and calling results of sin a blessings directed by God.

A little bit of study on the word "bastard": http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2648-bastard