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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

The problem I have is that in some areas of the world like Darfur and Zimbabwe the US is no where to be seen. I can't understand (except for the oil factor) why the US would feel they needed to remove Hussein, but have no problem with what Mugabe is doing to the people of Zimbabwe. I have been there and seen first hand the devastation Mugabe's dictatorship is wreaking on that nation. It is worse now than when I was there a few years ago. I was in a meeting with the head of our ACOP churches in that nation on Thursday. It is unbelievable what Mugabe is doing and no one is doing anything to stop him.

Chalk it up to American (and European) hypocrisy! The United States of America claims to have certain "national interests" and they use this as an excuse to impose its will on other nations and interfere with their internal affairs. Most, if not all, of the founding fathers believed that the "national interest" of the United States was to not get entangled in the affairs of other nations. It was a good foreign policy then and it's still a good foreign policy.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Thad

Canada has not only become Anti America but Anti-God as well.
They have laws now in canada where you can't preach against sin and immoral practices .

Where did you get that from Thad?????

Originally Posted by Ferd

You mean like entering the European theator in WW2? resquing france and Britten in WW1?

At least our involvement there was constitutional.

saving half of Korea from communsim? standing up against the spread of communism (in another attempt to bail france out) in Vietnam?

We had no business being involved. Neither of these actions were constitutional

Rescuing our own people in Grenada?

Notice that they were OUR citizens and not someone else's.

removing a guy from power in Panama who was putting drugs on American Streets?

A guy that the United States put into power in the first place. We had no business interfering in the internal affairs of other countries. As for the drug market, prohibition didn't work for alcohol in the 1920s; why do you and others think that prohibition works for other substances (some of which were actually used as over-the-counter medications in the late 1800s and early 1900s - and Coca Cola got its name from one of its original ingredients: cocaine).

Oh, no those might be justified. no we are talking about

Unless Congress actually declares war, they're unconstitutional.

Supporting Saddam against Iran (in league with the USSR and had taken American hostages)

We had no business being involved.

supporting brutal dicatorts in South America (in an effort to keep the USSR out of the mainland of South America)

Again, we had no business being involved.

As far as I am concerned, we didnt do enough. we should have stomped the Chinese in Korea, marched on North Vietnam and invaded Cuba and made it the 51st state.

Without Congress specifically declaring war, such actions would be unconstitutional.

I'm going with George Washington and John Quincy Adams on this one.

Originally Posted by CC1

They don't hate us for our "freedom". Where did you get that? They hate us because we are strong, powerful, successful, rich,etc,etc.

Freedom has nothing to do with it.

The truth is that many of the people who trash America would move here in a second if given the chance. That is one reason we have a significant population that does not want to assimilate and become "American". They want the ecocomic and political benefits of America while still hating America. This is a rot from within.

No, they hate us because since at least the 1950s we've been butting into the internal affairs of their Middle Eastern nations and trying to impose our will on them.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Where did you get that from Thad?????

studies show that only 12% of canadians go to church anymore. I recall a canadian on this forum telling me it is in fact that low.
your country also past a law that makes it discrimanatory to preach against the gay lifestyle as sin

Originally Posted by Ferd

which is so very disappointing. it is based on the fact that it has been the American Military that has gone everywhere, dealing with the things that nobody else would. increadably deflating. and extremely sad.

Going where we had no business going!

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I knew what you were saying, I appreciate you and TB's posts on this forum. Except maybe when he starts praising Bill Clinton.

I am not a Bill and Hillary Clinton fan. I simply think it sad that even Christians are not able to acknowledge the good that someone does. Why does it always have to be that if a politician is of the other party everything about them is bad.

IMO there is no godly party in the US. One of the reasons that I am convinced that the days are numbered for the US is that it is "a house divided against itself". There was a day when politicians respected one another and tried to work together for the common good of the people they represent. Now it is constant bashing of one another.

I love the USA and would not want to be anything other than an American in spite of its faults. My father fought for America in North Africa during WWII. However, it is sad to see that many of the values for which he fought have been lost not because of the enemy without, but the enemy within.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Rico

Oh please. Get a grip.

I have a grip and that's why your crying "ouch"!

[SDG]

I'm sorry Ferd ... but to act as if a President constitutional right to repel what he deems as attacks on America is INDEED VERY CONSTITUTIONAL.

Simply put the President has war powers and it's guaranteed to him by the Constitution and War Powers resolution of 1973.

The purpose of the War Powers Resolution is to ensure that Congress and the President share in making decisions that may get the U.S. involved in hostilities. Portions of the War Powers Resolution require the President to consult with Congress prior to the start of any hostilities as well as regularly until U.S. armed forces are no longer engaged in hostilities (Sec. 3); and to remove U.S. armed forces from hostilities if Congress has not declared war or passed a resolution authorizing the use of force within 60 days (Sec.. 5(b)). Following an official request by the President to Congress, the time limit can be extended by an additional 30 days (presumably when "unavoidable military necessity" requires additional action for a safe withdrawal). [Wiki]

Furthermore early Presidents took military actions w/o formal declaration from Congress.... Adams in the Quasi War ... and Jefferson in the War of Tripoli ...

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by crakjak

It is a well known fact that the money brokers of the world dictate the cash flow around the world not only in the US but in Canada as well, the real puppeteers are one and the same. Our individual blessings come from the Lord and certainly not the government, we cannot put our trust in the systems of this world, everyone of them are flawed and are destined to crash.

It is, indeed, an increasingly well known fact.