Can you cite the cases where churches have been successfully sued for refusing to rent their buildings out for gay weddings?
the one that comes to mind, was a church that had a property they used for weddings. somewhere in CT? I think? they refused a lesbian couple. got sued and had to decide not to rent the property any longer.
I dont even think there is a question here. if the church is acting as a business in renting their location to the public, they wont get a pass on one type of people they disapprove of.
they are only protected if they allow only approved weddings to begin with.
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Hutchinson, Kasnas is a simple one to find, though it was passed by the city counsel and as gay marriage is not legal there, the matter might be sidelined, until the Supreme court overturns the will of the people in those states with bans, and then it is mire than pertainent. Enter 'Hutchinson approves gay' in the search bar, then click on the fox news tab, and it is right there for all to see. I would pozt the link, however I have not figured out the cut and paste process on my nook.
“They would not be able to discriminate against gay and lesbian or transgender individuals,” Dye said. “That type of protection parallels to what you find in race discrimination. If a church provides lodging or rents a facility they could not discriminate based on race. It’s along that kind of thinking.”
Here's the kicker, Jay....this is directed at churches who already rent their facility out to outsiders, and the law has to do with discimination, not gay marriage.
If a church doesn't rent out their building, they don't fall into this category....
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the one that comes to mind, was a church that had a property they used for weddings. somewhere in CT? I think? they refused a lesbian couple. got sued and had to decide not to rent the property any longer.
I dont even think there is a question here. if the church is acting as a business in renting their location to the public, they wont get a pass on one type of people they disapprove of.
they are only protected if they allow only approved weddings to begin with.
So, not to nitpick, but your statement about "dozens of successful cases" is a slight exaggeration?
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It is the principle. The foot is in the door. What will it be next. If you invite the public to Easter or Christmas pagents, you have a private school that allows children from the local community to come, you have your church services open to the public, you advertise for people to visit your church, essntially soliciting the public, where will they stop? That is the problem facing people now.
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"I live in fear that the world will be distroyed if gays are allowed to marry"
and
"you can go on Twitter and say M S says God hats F**s"
That is a bit different.
Then I read that for YEARS and YEARS she has refused to tell anyone what her own sexual orientation was.... that she has a huge lesbian following, then she shows up in San Fransisco and just gets down right insulting.
She didnt help the cause of Christ. in fact if anything, it was damaging.
It is one thing for people to properly talk about sin, in the setting of a church. It is entirely another to be insulting to people that are lost and in need of salvation.
Oh yea so as long as we can HIDE inside the Church walls its ok to preach against sin! That's typical. I am thankful at least ONCE someone with an entertainment background would at least say SOMETHING about the "lifestyle" being a sin.
Oh yea so as long as we can HIDE inside the Church walls its ok to preach against sin! That's typical. I am thankful at least ONCE someone with an entertainment background would at least say SOMETHING about the "lifestyle" being a sin.
No Michael, preaching against sin, standing against sin is something very simple that we as christians should do at all times.
HOWEVER, when you are a public figure who has a HUGE lesbian following, and you have refused for more than a decade to discuss your sexuality and have avoided answering the question "are you gay", then when you walk on stage in front of the people who have been paying you for YEARS, then you are not helping the Cause of Christ to come out and say things like
I fear gay marriage will cause the world to end.
being insulting is nowhere NEAR the same thing as taking a principled stand against sin.
Gay marriage is not a sin. It is not a sin, because it is IMPOSSIBLE for to people of the same sex to enter into a covanant relationship with God (which is what marriage is). The sin is two people of the same sex having sex.
So if ms whats her face with the silly name wants to preach against sin, then she needed to do that a very long time ago, before those gay people who have made her pretty wealthy, made her so wealthy....
just saying....
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the dozens include all the businessess we are speaking of.
my point is that when a church does things that are service business orenited they loose any protection.
I think our resident former lawyer will agree.
(before we get further into this, I do not take the position of opposing gay marriage. in fact, I oppose government involvement in marriage in total.)
I agree with this.
But, I would also expect that this law could and would extend to any organization who provides service to the public indiscriminately.
I would imagine that there would be quite a public outcry if a business refused to serve Christians because the owner was a Muslim, or a Hassidic Jew, etc.
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Well I have the video here. This woman seems like a star to me. I never heard of her till yesterday. I am always interested when someone takes a bold stand for Christ.
I think Im starting to understand her. A lot like I was when I first believed. Trying to be relevant with those she is familiar with. She is a "liberal" Christian.
In time they left me. I did not particularly leave them. Early on I told them Yea Ill go out with you. Then while they smoked pot and drank beer I witnessed about this Jesus whom I had now met.
So they quit coming around. Now don't get me wrong I believe in holiness and truth. Nonetheless I know that many have STARTED this journey and many have a long way to go. Seems like Michelle and I would be far apart on most issues.
But friends I am always HOPING that someone will move forward with Christ. I am very pleased with the fact that a "liberal" Christian has openly told the truth to people who come to see her.
I say WOW she is burning for Jesus. Lacking a lot of truth. But its far better to be far from the goal and start running than to sit where you are.
She is NOT full of hate. No more than I was when I told my hippie friends they needed Jesus. Oh yes to THEM that seemed condemning and hateful. I was trying to point them to him.
On this site there is a video of exactly what she said.
I like people with zeal. I don't know why shes seemingly now getting stronger in her approach, hope its a deepening level of consecration (much needed) but at this moment in time I applaud her and will be praying God grants her much more truth.
Frankly Im surprised. I hear people on here riding people continually and saying how shallow they are for not taking their faith to the world. To me altho I believe she is not yet in the true "Apostolic" faith she is doing that at least NOW in her life.
Would I go to Bars and sit there and play a few songs and talk about Gods word being true? Sure would! Its up to them. If they would listen I would go.
If they pull my mic like they did hers I would be done. But point being she is trying to reach the people that KNOW HER NAME.
Now if she went and played gigs and never mentioned Christ it would be another story.
I watched this happen to the great Bob Dylan. He tried to be a Christian for a while. When his fans turned on him he gave it up. I hope this experience will help Michelle to see that the answer is to get CLOSER TO CHRIST and not hang onto the world even worldly friends.
I think she was really trying to show Gods love the best she knew how.
My Lord how we need saints who can be examples. How immature Christians need someone to help guide them along!
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