To tithe or not to tithe?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Praxeas,

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where does the bible say Jacob did not tithe?

It’s located within the same chapter that shows us where Jacob did tithe. You wouldn’t mind posting those scriptures, would you?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Jacobs promise to serve God was not contingent on what God promised but what Jacob asked God to do...

Jacob never asked of God! Please read the entire chapter of Genesis 28. It was God who instigated, and Jacob simply replied. Look……


God said - (Gen 28:15) I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go
Jacob Replies – (Gen 28:20) If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go
God said – (Gen 28:15) I will bring you back to this land
Jacob Replies – (Gen 28:21) If God will keep me…….so that I come again to my father's house in peace
God said – (Gen 28:13) I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying
Jacob replied – (Gen 28:22) If…… all that you give me I will give a full tenth to you


Jacob asked for nothing, as you suggested! Jacob rather said “if” god would! The emphasis is on “IF.” God initiated the conversation and Jacob responded.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Second God gave them that land the moment He promised it. God fulfilled His end of what He promised the moment He declared it.

Really, God gave Jacob the promised land? Didn’t you read Hebrews 11:9,13 (see below)? Praxeas, here’s a question for you! The scriptures below read that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were recipients of the same promise and yet they never received it. Which promise was that?

You said above, “God fulfilled His end of what He promised the moment He declared it.”
Who is wrong, you or the bible? Thank you.

Hebrews 11:9,13
9) By faith he made his (Abraham) home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.

13) All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

See above. The land already belonged to Jacob and His decedents. God made that promise but as I pointed out that is irrelevant. Jacob did not vow "if and when I finally get the land and all my descendents then you will be my God..."...

Really? What was Jacob supposed to give a tenth of? Also, as I stated above, Jacob never received the promise. His descendants (Israelites) received the promise after crossing over Jordan. Technically, it was then when Jacob’s 3rd vow became effective and God collected. God stated in Leviticus that He wanted the tenth. He was collecting on Jacob’s vow after fulfilling his promise (giving the land to Jacob's descendants) .

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Which would mean God is a liar when He said "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"...because according to you God did not fulfill His promise so Jacob could not fulfill his vow

How did I call God a liar? He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Furthermore, this confirms Jacob’s first vow. Do you recall Jacob saying, “then the lord will be my god?”
And no, According to Hebrews chapter 11, Jacob didn’t received the promise. If anyone is calling God a liar, it’s Hebrews chapter 11, If we interpret things from your prospective.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He gave it the moment He declared it.When it was fulfilled is irrelevant. God gave them the land the moment He declared it and again has nothing to do with the vow

Wrong.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Thus proving my point that tithing predates the law and is not constrained by the law. Thank you

How does tithing predate the law? Give me scripture where Jacob tithed prior to his vow? Remember, he was Abraham’s grandson. Jacob should have already been tithing. Furthermore, Jacob would have never suggested that he would give a tenth of all, if he already knew tithing predated the law and was mandatory.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You need to post that verse that says Jacob never tithed..

You need to post a scripture proving that Jacob did tithe.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW Why would he do the other parts of the vow if God did not fulfill His end of the agreement yet according to you? Why just tithing?

Simple! God did fulfill certain promises. God protected Jacob and in return, Jacob made God his personal Lord. Next, God brought Jacob back to this father’s land and in return, Jacob set up a pillar. They both kept 2 of three promises. The last promise occurred when Jacob’s descendants crossed over Jordan, God gave the descendants the land and in return, God required Jacob’s vow from Jacob’s descendants, thus, tithing. This tithing only occurred after Jacob’s statement of,” and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.” Jacob had nothing to give until his descendants entered the promised land.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Receiving and being given are not the same things

Explain how Jacob was given the promise land, and yet he never received the promise.


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Jacob's Ladder