Make You Proud To Be An American?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

There are some sideline aspects here that ought to be considered. The Purple Heart carries with it a commitment by the government to insure those harmed are cared for as long as they need care. In this case, as I understand it, because they are not designated as such, those that were wounded to the point they can no longer serve, are put out with little or no access to the care their wounds need.


I could be wrong about that, but I think I remember hearing something from one of the survivors making this case.


That being said, you bring up a very valid point that must be considered. That being designating these people as Purple Heart recipients, will in fact, look like the government is convicting Major Hasan befor his trial. I would prefer, they try him as a terrorist instead of trying him as a case of workplace violence. However, I am not sure which way is easier to get the proper convictions. I am for easy in that case.

I think we should all serve notice that once the process plays out, that these people be taken care of, and after the trial, consider changing the designation to Purple Heart.

The current military justice system is "sick," Gringrich told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Tuesday.

"Look, does anybody doubt he (Hasan) was in the room? Does anyone doubt he yelled allahu akbar? Does anyone doubt he shot all those people? We have a lawyer-driven system that is sick. And I use that word deliberately," Gingrich said.

"We have two sicknesses here: An intellectual sickness in our national security system that doesn't want to admit this was an act of terrorism. The Army bent over backwards to pretend this was a workplace incident. This is not a workplace incident. There is no conceivable belief on the planet that this man happened to randomly snap. He had studied to do this."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-gingrich-says

NEWT!!!!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Ferd

There are some sideline aspects here that ought to be considered. The Purple Heart carries with it a commitment by the government to insure those harmed are cared for as long as they need care. In this case, as I understand it, because they are not designated as such, those that were wounded to the point they can no longer serve, are put out with little or no access to the care their wounds need.


I could be wrong about that, but I think I remember hearing something from one of the survivors making this case.


That being said, you bring up a very valid point that must be considered. That being designating these people as Purple Heart recipients, will in fact, look like the government is convicting Major Hasan befor his trial. I would prefer, they try him as a terrorist instead of trying him as a case of workplace violence. However, I am not sure which way is easier to get the proper convictions. I am for easy in that case.

I think we should all serve notice that once the process plays out, that these people be taken care of, and after the trial, consider changing the designation to Purple Heart.

If someone was making this case, they were either mistaken or purposely trying to mislead.

Any injuries that occur while serving in the U.S. Armed Forces will be fully addressed by the Armed Forces Medical Community. The injured service member will DEFINITELY be granted disability status and appropriate financial compensation for their injuries. They will receive treatment and compensation for their injuries for the rest of their lives. This is with or without receiving a Purple Heart.


At the risk of sounding crass, I don't want these victims to be awarded the Purple Heart.

I don't think it was earned in this very specific, but very tragic situation. They shouldn't have been killed, but they did not die in combat. The precedent that would be set by awarding these victims the Purple Heart would open the door for the awarding of the Purple Heart to be connected with all sorts of random acts of violence and frivolity.

The Purple Heart must be earned in the combat zone, not in garrison.

Let's find another way to honor these victims.

[Jay]

But would that be the case considering that they were preparing for deployment to a combat zone, and the man who shot them was a traitor andkilled them in an openly flagrant act of treason? I think that his bringing the war to them justifies a purple heart.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jay

But would that be the case considering that they were preparing for deployment to a combat zone, and the man who shot them was a traitor andkilled them in an openly flagrant act of treason? I think that his bringing the war to them justifies a purple heart.

Every service member is prepping for war, from Day 1 of basic training, every time they train, every time they conduct PT.

I am sure there is a civilian lawyer that could present a very thought-provoking defense based on your questions. However, I would not say that a Purple Heart would be appropriate in this very tragic situation.

Again, the precedent set by awarding Purple Hearts to the victims in this situation would open the door for the awarding of the Purple Heart for all sorts of tragic and random acts of violence and frivolity.

[Jay]

This was not a random act of violenceby a man with a grudge against the military. It was a premeditated act of terrorism conceived and carried through by a traitor to this country. He was in obvious aid to the enemies of the United States when performing this action, and we have abbundant proof of this. The man should be tried as a spy, traitor, and sabetour, in addition to the counts of murder.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jay

This was not a random act of violenceby a man with a grudge against the military. It was a premeditated act of terrorism conceived and carried through by a traitor to this country. He was in obvious aid to the enemies of the United States when performing this action, and we have abbundant proof of this. The man should be tried as a spy, traitor, and sabetour, in addition to the counts of murder.

Well Jay, we'll just have to agree to disagree, my friend.