What Did She Expect?

[Aquila]

Those who claim that being heterosexual was a conscious "choice" are also saying that they could make a "conscious choice" to be gay.

I think real straight people don't remember ever choosing to be straight. Puberty hit and suddenly... things began to happen in their bodies when they thought about or looked at the opposite sex.

I don't remember consciously choosing to be straight. And from the testimony of the vast majority of homosexuals... they don't remember ever consciously choosing to be gay. Imagine an 11 year old kid hitting pubert and... only the same gender aroused them. Then imagine discovering that your parents find it sick and would disown you. Then you discover that your church would cast you out. Then you find out that your best friend would bash your head in because you showered together in gym. Then you find out that there are churches and other groups that hate you so much... they think you should be killed. A lot of teens who kill themselves do so because of all of this. If it is so much of a "choice"... why not just "choose to be straight" and move on??? Why struggle to the point where suicide appears more merciful than your friends, family, or church finding out???

It's sad really.

In all honesty... I feel a lot of compassion for them. I couldn't imagine the condemnation and fear many have had to endure. I could sleep with a prostitute and not loose my family... and my church would probably expect me at the altar... but they'd still love me and expect me to attend.

[Aquila]

I knew without a doubt that I was straight when I discovered Kathy Ireland in a bikini... in my dad's top dresser drawer. lol

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Those who claim that being heterosexual was a conscious "choice" are also saying that they could make a "conscious choice" to be gay.

I think real straight people don't remember ever choosing to be straight. Puberty hit and suddenly... things began to happen in their bodies when they thought about or looked at the opposite sex.

I don't remember consciously choosing to be straight. And from the testimony of the vast majority of homosexuals... they don't remember ever consciously choosing to be gay. Imagine an 11 year old kid hitting pubert and... only the same gender aroused them. Then imagine discovering that your parents find it sick and would disown you. Then you discover that your church would cast you out. Then you find out that your best friend would bash your head in because you showered together in gym. Then you find out that there are churches and other groups that hate you so much... they think you should be killed. A lot of teens who kill themselves do so because of all of this. If it is so much of a "choice"... why not just "choose to be straight" and move on??? Why struggle to the point where suicide appears more merciful than your friends, family, or church finding out???

It's sad really.

In all honesty... I feel a lot of compassion for them. I couldn't imagine the condemnation and fear many have had to endure. I could sleep with a prostitute and not loose my family... and my church would probably expect me at the altar... but they'd still love me and expect me to attend.

As long as you were just sleeping

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I could sleep with a prostitute and not loose my family... and my church would probably expect me at the altar... but they'd still love me and expect me to attend.

Actually you could abandon your wife and children, marry your mistress, have another family with her and the buch of you would be welcomed in just about any church in this country. There are not many that would question your right to remarry or have a sex life. It happens all the time and is so common that our churches are full of remarried folks that left their first families in a wake of destruction. We treat these people just like everybody else while the struggling homosexual is ridiculed and condemed weekly from behind pulpits everywhere. I personally began seeing it as an easy 'shout' for the pastor to rag on the gays and I got disgusted with it.

These are real people with real lives and real souls and we need to act like we understand that.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Actually you could abandon your wife and children, marry your mistress, have another family with her and the buch of you would be welcomed in just about any church in this country. There are not many that would question your right to remarry or have a sex life. It happens all the time and is so common that our churches are full of remarried folks that left their first families in a wake of destruction. We treat these people just like everybody else while the struggling homosexual is ridiculed and condemed weekly from behind pulpits everywhere. I personally began seeing it as an easy 'shout' for the pastor to rag on the gays and I got disgusted with it.

These are real people with real lives and real souls and we need to act like we understand that.

So true. It's very easy to get people shouting in response to statements made about a sin that most aren't involved in.

[Aquila]

Frankly, some Christians who identify themselves as being "gay" have more success with prolonged celebacy for Christ than us straights.

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Lafon

I could not disagree more with this statement! Everything we do, whether good or bad, wicked or honorable, and this excludes nothing, "BEGINS" with a conscious decision.

Men are born as men, and women are born as women. If either chooses to 'play the role' of the opposite sex, then there arrived that critical moment when they made the decision to engage in that opposing role. It was their decision to make, and they could just as easily have chosen otherwise.

They will have no one but themselves to blame for their wicked deeds, for I am persuaded that even one's God-given conscience served to 'warn' them before they ever engaged in a homosexual act the very first time.

Oh, so you're saying you're just as attracted to men as you are to women, you just choose to be with women specifically?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

Oh, so you're saying you're just as attracted to men as you are to women, you just choose to be with women specifically?

That's absurd! I am not now, nor have I ever been in 74+ years of living, the least attracted to men. Your statement is offensive to me!

[MarieA27]

Originally Posted by Lafon

That's absurd! I am not now, nor have I ever been in 74+ years of living, the least attracted to men. Your statement is offensive to me!

Hmm...isn't this basically what you just said about the gays, that they chose to be attracted to the same sex? If has to go both ways. If they choose their attractions (temptations) then you do too. Same sex attractions is a temptation, just like all other sins and abominations. No one chooses to have lusts to kill people. No one chooses to be attracted to little girls and boys. We must fight these temptations, lusts and carnal desires.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

Hmm...isn't this basically what you just said about the gays, that they chose to be attracted to the same sex? If has to go both ways. If they choose their attractions (temptations) then you do too. Same sex attractions is a temptation, just like all other sins and abominations. No one chooses to have lusts to kill people. No one chooses to be attracted to little girls and boys. We must fight these temptations, lusts and carnal desires.

I disagree with you on this. In the first place, opposite-sex attraction is NOT a sin, it is the natural order of things -I personally find pretty girls attractive. Second, SAME-sex attraction is not a sin either -if the person recognizes that acting upon it WOULD be and actively fights to keep his (or hers) "fantasizing" to a minimum.