You are my brethren - Page 5

bbyrd009 · #41 05-06-2013, 12:11 PM

Yes, amen to that.

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Apostle Paul warned us of false "Christians" those who pretend to be Christians and are instead ravening wolves who bring in damnable heresies, and to stay away from such.

We have an abundance of false "Brethren" even within the Apostolic Camp.

They come in a saying they believe the Acts 2:38 message but then they start undermining it. They say they believe in one God, but pretty soon they are starting to talk like Trinitarians.

Those wolves come in in sheep clothing, they pretend to be pure believers but in time they little by little reveal themselves by deviating from the path of truth and taking others along their crooked path.

Well, I'd say that you have just described any Christian, in some area of their walk, at least? "It is what is in a man's heart..."

And it seems to me that many would append Acts 2:38, adding to Scripture, and still call themselves Apostolic? I just meant to point out that your surely well-intentioned post is mired in Original Sin, and generates a duality from the outset; a subject-object relationship. As soon as one (you, here) is put in the position of 'determiner,' (or 'Judge'), you have lost.

bbyrd009 · #42 05-06-2013, 12:13 PM

Imo, stop worrying about what some other Christian may believe, and that they might somehow 'infect' you or something. A believer, listening to the unction of the Holy Spirit, is immune to this. It is a diatribe of fear, wadr.

Titus2woman · #43 05-06-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

How can a person who identifies themselves as gay or bi be born again through the Acts 2:38 message? It doesn't work.

Repent: if they're still identifying themselves as gay or bi, which both are in conflict with the Word, repentance is not complete.

Be baptized: anyone can be baptized, to be sure, but without the aforementioned repentance being complete, baptism is just a bath and remission of sins undone.

Ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost: if repentance was not done, and remission not complete, I don't believe the Holy Ghost can fill them.

I followed the Acts 2:38 message... and was able to drop an F-bomb the very next week... Profanity is my besetting sin...and while I do a lot better than I used to, you probably would not want to be around if I drop a hammer on my foot. Does that mean I cam not be saved in your opinion?

navygoat1998 · #44 05-06-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I followed the Acts 2:38 message... and was able to drop an F-bomb the very next week... Profanity is my besetting sin...and while I do a lot better than I used to, you probably would not want to be around if I drop a hammer on my foot. Does that mean I cam not be saved in your opinion?

bbyrd009 · #45 05-06-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I followed the Acts 2:38 message... and was able to drop an F-bomb the very next week... Profanity is my besetting sin...and while I do a lot better than I used to, you probably would not want to be around if I drop a hammer on my foot. Does that mean I cam not be saved in your opinion?

Titus2woman · #46 05-06-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I, above all, am aware.

Some days I hate the fact that I THINK in cuss words.

navygoat1998 · #47 05-06-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I, above all, am aware.

Some days I hate the fact that I THINK in cuss words.

Honestly if we could read each others minds we would all be just a little more than shocked in what we see.

Its not your fault you lived in Compton.

n david · #48 05-06-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I followed the Acts 2:38 message... and was able to drop an F-bomb the very next week... Profanity is my besetting sin...and while I do a lot better than I used to, you probably would not want to be around if I drop a hammer on my foot. Does that mean I cam not be saved in your opinion?

Dropping the F-bomb is a bit different than what was described above. You said you "[were] able to drop an F-bomb the very next week." I doubt, at the time of your conversion, you were dropping the F-bomb. What was described was a person who was identifying themselves still; maybe I misread it, because to me a person who's identifying themselves as something, is still participating.

Aquila · #49 05-06-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

How can a person who identifies themselves as gay or bi be born again through the Acts 2:38 message? It doesn't work.

All they are doing is acknowledging that they have some degree of same gender attraction. They might be delivered from this in the water of baptism. Yet, others might be delivered from it some time later. And still others might struggle with it their whole life long. We are human. We are broken. We aren't glorified in immortal sinless bodies yet. The flesh is still very much alive. And it cries out for things that are repugnant to our spirit sometimes.

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Repent: if they're still identifying themselves as gay or bi, which both are in conflict with the Word, repentance is not complete.

I'd not go that far. Yes, they may not fully understand their new identity in Christ. They need to be mentored spiritually and have their minds renewed through the washing of the Word of God. We all come to Christ with mistaken notions and ideas. In time, the Word of God cleanses the mind and assists us with putting on the mind of Christ. We all start from somewhere... and for most... it's a very broken and error ridden place. Sometimes it takes time to discover who we really are in Christ.

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Be baptized: anyone can be baptized, to be sure, but without the aforementioned repentance being complete, baptism is just a bath and remission of sins undone.

Yes... but God accepts the most tender and often weak efforts in repentance. Sometimes it's like a "flicker" in their souls and God takes it and runs with it. It takes sincerity of intention. New born babes are born and crawl, then stumble, fall, fall again, fall again, fall again, until they learn to walk. Then, they learn to run. And then before you know it... their off running the race like champions. But if we kick them because they are just crawling. Or because they have misconceptions. Or if they stumble and fall... their blood is on our hands. I've seen people "repent" and God give them the Holy Ghost... and they still struggle with sin for a season. We make God so tough and tyranical. God wants to save them more than they want to be saved. He truly knows what awaits them.

Holiness isn't hardness. True Holiness is loving and tender. Patient and slow to anger.

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Ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost: if repentance was not done, and remission not complete, I don't believe the Holy Ghost can fill them.

What we believe is immaterial. God fills people with His Spirit upon their sincerity and brokenness. They aren't perfect. They get up and must be taught the way. Their misunderstandings corrected. Sometimes... this takes time, even after they are born again.

I remember what it was like being a new convert and knowing next to nothing. Let's not forget what it was like when we were born again. Most of us weren't a 100th of the "theologians" we claim to be now. LOL

Michael The Disciple · #50 05-06-2013, 02:24 PM

Titus Woman, I would not say one who battles this is lost. No. We can all be bombarded at times with unclean thoughts. Yet consider the standard Yeshua has set.

Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.

We can do better. Christians are called to pure minds. The teachings of men would tell us don't worry about it. God says we need to "perfect holiness in the fear of the Lord".