What Ever Happened to Respect?

[FlamingZword]

Please do not talk bad about our dear great leader Kim Jong-un.

He is
Wise Leader
Brilliant Leader
Respected Leader
Father of the People
Shining Star
Guiding Sun Ray
The Great Sun of Life
Great Sun of The Nation
Beloved Father
Supreme Leader of the Nation
His Excellency

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

My knowledge of the Bible is admittedly a bit rusty these days, but didn't David continue to show respect King Saul, even though he knew that God had anointed him to be the new King?

And what about all those foreign rulers when Israel was in exile? I seem to recall that short of being commanded to do something that violated the law, they respected and obeyed the rulers of the land.

They obeyed so they would not be slaughtered. They had been subjugated.

[houston]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Please do not talk bad about our dear great leader Kim Jong-un.

He is
Wise Leader
Brilliant Leader
Respected Leader
Father of the People
Shining Star
Guiding Sun Ray
The Great Sun of Life
Great Sun of The Nation
Beloved Father
Supreme Leader of the Nation
His Excellency

Does he poop? His dad didn't.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by houston

Does he poop? His dad didn't.

True story.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

OK... it's a political thread.. I'm pretty much a-political... I don't just love Mr. Obama but I also did not just love Mr. Bush... I think the last pres I thought was just all that and a bag of chips was J. Carter and most people thought he was an idiot and that by extension, so was I.

This actually wasn't supposed to be political, LOL

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

We definitely teach our kids to respect their authorities, including politicians that are in authority over us. However, disagreeing with authority figures isn't disrespectful, especially in our society where freedom of speech is such an important privilege. As long as disagreements are made respectfully, then they aren't disrespectful.

On the flip side, I do think that resorting to personal insults, attacks, racist jokes, etc., is demeaning to the person doing the attacking, and certainly unchristian.

In my opinion, you can disagree--strongly--and still be respectful. Bottom line, it isn't disrespectful for anyone to question the President on his policies or actions, mainly because in our system he's supposed to actually be accountable TO the people.

This was exactly my point. It's not about whether you agree or disagree, it's a heart issue. Is calling someone an arrogant, ignorant, incompetent idiot expressing love?

This isn't about Obama or Bush, it's not about Republicans or democrats of independents, it's not about conservative or liberal or moderate. It's about loving our neighbor, and gentleness and kindness, and putting love above being right.

I guess somewhere along the way I became an idealist...

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

This actually wasn't supposed to be political, LOL

This was exactly my point. It's not about whether you agree or disagree, it's a heart issue. Is calling someone an arrogant, ignorant, incompetent idiot expressing love?

This isn't about Obama or Bush, it's not about Republicans or democrats of independents, it's not about conservative or liberal or moderate. It's about loving our neighbor, and gentleness and kindness, and putting love above being right.

I guess somewhere along the way I became an idealist...

How was this not to be political. You, as a mostly Democratic voter singled out conservatives for their criticism of the President you voted for. Nothing mentioned towards liberals on here, just the conservatives.

Again, I'm not calling Obama arrogant, ignorant and incompetent... it's his policies and Presidency that is. There is a difference. I've said it twice, it's his Presidency and policy, please don't misquote me.

Sorry, but I feel this is very biased because of that. And you can try to add liberals now, but it's after the fact and seems less sincere.

I guess somewhere along the way I got tired of libs, MSNBC, the President and others making Republicans out to be jerks.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

This actually wasn't supposed to be political, LOL



This was exactly my point. It's not about whether you agree or disagree, it's a heart issue. Is calling someone an arrogant, ignorant, incompetent idiot expressing love?

This isn't about Obama or Bush, it's not about Republicans or democrats of independents, it's not about conservative or liberal or moderate. It's about loving our neighbor, and gentleness and kindness, and putting love above being right.

I guess somewhere along the way I became an idealist...

Society as a whole is simply less tactful than ever before. The simple lesson that just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you SHOULD say it seems to have been lost on most people.

I'm with you that now that Mr. Obama is our president it would be nice to see level of respect for his office and even for him personally. Of course I believe that presidents are mostly figureheads who do little on their own anyway... so getting angry at the person makes no sense to me.

[Aquila]

I believe we are being manipulated.

Manipulated by political parties battling for total power and control of the economy. It's in their best interest to divide the American people in such heated division that they can solidify a base and work to convert "non-believers" in an almost religious fashion.

In addition, the news media companies, authors, political think tanks, special interest groups etc. financially benefit from such fervor.

They have made what should be issues of personal liberty into social debates. And we've fallen for it.

When I look around, all too often I see Christians who are conformed into the image and likeness of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. Sometimes I don't see Jesus at all. Political conservatism has become the new "political correctness" within the church. The political powers on the right would love to cut SCHIP and other programs. Would Jesus cut SCHIP to give more money to oil companies... or would Jesus admonish the nation (including oil companies) to remember its responibility towards less fortunate children??? Yet those same political conservatives would give BILLIONS in tax breaks to corporations that don't invest very much in America at all.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

How was this not to be political. You, as a mostly Democratic voter singled out conservatives for their criticism of the President you voted for. Nothing mentioned towards liberals on here, just the conservatives.

Again, I'm not calling Obama arrogant, ignorant and incompetent... it's his policies and Presidency that is. There is a difference. I've said it twice, it's his Presidency and policy, please don't misquote me.

Sorry, but I feel this is very biased because of that. And you can try to add liberals now, but it's after the fact and seems less sincere.

I guess somewhere along the way I got tired of libs, MSNBC, the President and others making Republicans out to be jerks.

Again, I referred to conservative Christians only because that's how the majority that I am conversing with here refer to themselves. So, I apologize for that, as it applies to all Christians everywhere, regardless of their affiliation or place on the religious spectrum.

But the only "Conservative" I referred was in regards to Christianity. It in no way referred to conservative politics, which can often be an entirely different manner.

I don't know how much we've interacted in the past, so you might not know much about me. I was on these forums regularly from 2003-2008, but have only posted sporadically since then. In my time here I have been guilty of many shortcomings, but one thing I have been known for, is my tendency to be completely transparent (probably to the point of TMI) about my life and struggles.

I have no political agenda here, and I was not trying to accuse any particular people of anything. It was simply intended to be a "Hey, here is an area I really think we should strive to do better in".

Beyond that, you can only take my word for now, that It bothers me just as much when it is a person that I didn't vote for, or disagree with, or is of a different religion, or culture, or orientation. One of my favorite statements is that what we say and do says more about us, then the people we are reacting too. So I guess this is something that is near to my heart.