RDP

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Why would someone doing God's work want to remain anonymous? Isn't that a contradiction of sorts? You could PM me your church info... I'm not a serial killer or anything and my family is looking for a church home in east Texas. If you've been in this area long I may even know you already... wouldn't that be something.

I will honor my wife's request.

I have been in east Texas all my life and preaching here over 26 years now.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

If you align yourself with the likes of rdp... you are indeed another weirdo, sir, preacher or not. Every time creepy guy posts I want to take a shower with a Brillo pad. Strange fruit.

Said the woman who stated that it was just fine for her pastor (if she even has one) to wear a dress made for a man....with matching "murse" !

I agree....."Brillo-Pad" material!

I see you are in my neck of the woods... would you like to share where it is you preach said gospel?

Don't do it WholeHearted.....She might just show up with her pastor in a dress & purse.....& you wouldn't know which is which !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

There is no other gospel that saves.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im saying in Jn 10:30 the Greek word is Hen not Heis.

Heis usually means One (in number) in distinction to Hen meaning usually One (in unity) and that One In number is not the same thing as One in Unity.

Im saying exactly and ONLY what I've already said

Okay, I get that my husband and I can be one in unity, but not one in person. I just don't see God that way.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im saying in Jn 10:30 the Greek word is Hen not Heis.

Heis usually means One (in number) in distinction to Hen meaning usually One (in unity) and that One In number is not the same thing as One in Unity.

Im saying exactly and ONLY what I've already said

Prax, while it is true that the neuter hen generally means "one" in the sense of unity, as I would imagine you know, there are numerous places in the NT where it can also means "one" in person.

Romans 12:5 So we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

The above verse will perhaps help illustrate what I am saying. Here is the exact parsing of the verse:

http://interlinearbible.org/romans/12-5.htm

As you will see, the first "one," as in "one body" is the neuter sing. "hen," while the second "one," as in "individually members 'ONE' of another" is the masc. sing. heis. And, it even contains the same plural verb (ἐσμεν/esmen) as in Jn. 10.30.

The "one" that appears in the independent clause could be taken to mean "one person" inasmuch as "one body" is never more "one person." Conversely, it could also be interpreted to mean "one in unity" due to "many members" clearly are not "one person." Here is where context will enter the picture to be the final judge.

However, the "one" that appears in the dependent clause is clearly talking about "one 'individual' person" (talk about demolishing the "multiple-divine-persons," or "Trinity".....the Masc. Sing. does it!).


Personally, due to context, I think Jesus intended one-person in Jn. 10.30 based upon the response of those standing on the spot. "You being a man are MAKING YOURSELF GOD."

There was something in the force of His usage of "one" which caused them understand His assertion as a statement of identity as not just "in unity" with the Father....But in reality "making yourself God."

28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”


He seems to be telling them, "I and the Father have the same Hand....We are 'ONE'." This is what incited the Jews extreme anger, whereas, IMO, a statement of "unity" would not have elicited their precise wording (esp. since the pious Pharisee's-Chief Priests made the same assertion all the time).

Just some random musings...........

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Why would someone doing God's work want to remain anonymous? Isn't that a contradiction of sorts? You could PM me your church info... I'm not a serial killer or anything and my family is looking for a church home in east Texas. If you've been in this area long I may even know you already... wouldn't that be something.

Well, I could always come start a HM church if you like....Then you would have a church-home!

[The Mrs]

Hasn't this thread gone on long enough???

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Okay, I get that my husband and I can be one in unity, but not one in person. I just don't see God that way.

Im not saying God is that way.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rdp

Personally, due to context, I think Jesus intended one-person in Jn. 10.30 based upon the response of those standing on the spot. "You being a man are MAKING YOURSELF GOD."

There was something in the force of His usage of "one" which caused them understand His assertion as a statement of identity as not just "in unity" with the Father....But in reality "making yourself God."

28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”


He seems to be telling them, "I and the Father have the same Hand....We are 'ONE'." This is what incited the Jews extreme anger, whereas, IMO, a statement of "unity" would not have elicited their precise wording (esp. since the pious Pharisee's-Chief Priests made the same assertion all the time).

Just some random musings...........

That was awesome! Felt a witness in my Spirit!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Hasn't this thread gone on long enough???

I'm not sure if Pliny and RDP are black and blue enough yet.