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Old 06-22-2013, 06:26 AM
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Re: 150th Anniversary

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Originally Posted by RamoneWooddell View Post
Ah, but you are viewing the United States of America from this side of the Northern Aggression. It should be remembered that it is the UNITED STATES which should have honored its constitutional limits and been submissive to the United States of America. The Declaration of Independence, and Articles of Confederation both allowed the "divorce" from the United States of America. It is the attitude of which you have which you seem to have which caused the war in the first place. Not the Confederate States of America.
Yes, if I were "on" or with the losing side, I would probably have your perspective too. My practical (rather than legal) implication was that once enough people pick up arms and organize to fight authority--at that point laws are not so meaningful. So-called "rights" are merely privileges that are enforced with adequate FORCE. This is not to claim that "might makes right" but to claim that "might describes the extant reality." Hopes such as <<Should have honored>> always take a back seat during an armed rebellion.

A southern sympathizer may even today, in a flight of fanciful imagination, claim that since Lee only surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia, he had no legal standing to speak for the other 10 rebel states, and therefore the Confederacy still exists. A representative republic sometimes fills the legal holes only after the problems arise. In Texas v. White, 1869, Chief Justice Chase considered the Constitutional argument about secession, and wrote for the majority ruling:

<< When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. >>

But if someone(s) think they can rebel, no one can stop them from trying. And as it happened--to lose.
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