Come Out Of Her My People

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did I change what I said? My entire point has been this:

1. The bible teaches that God has abandoned the use of buildings as His Temple. He does not dwell in them.
2. The bible speaks of the people of God as His Temple, the 'house of God'. (A temple is a house for a god, after all.)
3. Speaking of a building made with hands as 'God's house' does not express any Biblical concept, but instead actually expresses a concept that is contrary to a clearly taught bible doctrine (see 1 and 2 above).
4. Therefore, we should not refer to a building made with hands as God's house.

Did God EVER really "Dwell" in man made temples or did He simply meet man there?

How do you explain Solomon's Temple being called the House of God and Jesus calling Herod's Temple "My Father's House"? (I've asked this three times now)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Did I change what I said? My entire point has been this:

1. The bible teaches that God has abandoned the use of buildings as His Temple. He does not dwell in them.
2. The bible speaks of the people of God as His Temple, the 'house of God'. (A temple is a house for a god, after all.)
3. Speaking of a building made with hands as 'God's house' does not express any Biblical concept, but instead actually expresses a concept that is contrary to a clearly taught bible doctrine (see 1 and 2 above).
4. Therefore, we should not refer to a building made with hands as God's house.

As for the 'rapture', no I do not speak of 'the rapture'. I do however speak of the resurrection, of the Lord's coming, and of our meeting Him in the air. I suppose you could call that 'the rapture', and even though I would suggest that biblical support for that term, in that context, is sketchy, I would also suggest it does not parallel the case before us. Because the term 'rapture' is not (in that particular case) a biblical term which expresses one thing in the bible, but is applied to another thing in our speaking that implies the opposite of it's biblical meaning.

If a person were to speak of their physical death as 'the rapture', then the case would be more parallel.




I said 'likely not thinking of'. Or do you agree that when a person says 'welcome to the house of God' they really are thinking that God does indeed dwell in houses made with hands, that God still wants, desires, and expects buildings to serve as His temples?

As for ignorance, I did not say YOU were ignorant. Your descent into the ad hominem proves a point (to me, at least).

In any event, you all have had a mighty good try, but a few things remain undimished by your cherished clinging to man made tradition and will-worship.

1. The bible teaches explicitly that God does not dwell in houses made by hands (even if one paints a sign on it claiming it's his personal residence).

2. The apostles believed a certain way, which led them to speak of certain things in certain ways.

3. Many today believe a certain way, which leads them to speak of certain things in certain ways, albeit quite differently from (and even opposite to) the way the apostles spoke, and thus we may surmise, believed.

4. Very little, if any, theological discussion on AFF can be had without it degenerating into one big ad hominem strife.

God bless.

I think you are missing the point? Everyone know 1st Corinthians 3:16, and 1st Corinthians 6:19, yet calling a structure the tabernacle, the temple, house of meeting. or house of God, isn't about someone claiming it to be a divine edifice. Yet, doesn't holy mean set apart for God's use? Just asking a question?

[renee819]

Praxeas wrote,

I ask again, why was the man made temple Solomon built called "House of God"? Why did Jesus call Herod's temple "My Father's house"?

The difference is, God promised to meet them there. Sometimes in a physical way. The Schikina Glory, fire, smoke, etc., God told the Priests and Prophets what to tell the people, and they obeyed with Rituals of sacrifices of animals. Trying their best to live as righteous a life as they could, without the benefit of the Holy Ghost dwelling within. With their Adamic nature not changed.

Where does God meet people today?

Where two or Three are gathered together in My Mane, I will be in the midst of them. The difference is, A New Covenant. A New and Living Way.

The building does not matter. But when emphasis is that we meet God there, and the worship is centered around a building, then in most people's minds, (young people—sinners--shallow Christians, that don't study) They don't get it, that when a person is 'born again, we take God with us wherever we go. We are then the Temple of God. We are the Priesthood of God. We don't have to wait to get to a building, to feel the presence of God. We are to live righteous holy lives as if God Himself was walking right beside us. Although He is even closer than beside us, some people can not comprehend that He is living inside of us, ALL OF THE TIME. Not just when we go to a certain designated building.

If we sin, He is right there, grieving over our sin, and trying to call us to repentance.
If we meet with 2 or 3 in the middle of a sidewalk, IN HIS NAME, He is right there.
If we pray, ANYWHERE, He is there, He hears---unless our sin has separated us from God, by the hardness of our heart, because we have refused to listen for His voice, and our conscience is seared over like as with, a hot iron.

All of us are having trouble hearing His voice, because of the busyness of “the thorns and weeds” in our life.
Because of wrong teaching.
Because of presumptuous sins. (Thinking, “Oh well, I'm just human, God will forgive me if I sin.”)
Because of ignorance, of sins like pride, greed, anger, hate, little white lies, (so-called.), jealousy etc,.
Of justifying ourselves thinking, “I'm just as good as the next person”. And we are, but that person that we are looking at, might not be a very good person.

It is time to come out of this willful ignorance and live as we are meant to live, seeking true holiness of the spirit, casting out every evil imagination and unholy thought.

It is time for God's people to find out what The Catholic Church has brought into the TRADITIONS of all Denominations through Paganism.

AND COME OUT OF HER.

[Amanah]

I have nothing against house church, but:

I know of none that preach the Oneness, Acts 2:38 message, and I just can't get excited about people making a decision for Christ and not receiving the new birth.

It is not impossible but unlikely that the 5 fold ministry and 9 gifts of the Spirit are going to be in operation in a handfull of people who are not in fellowship with the larger body of Christ.

There is much benefit in being with a group that has Bible quizzing, youth, ladies, & mens retreats, organized outreach, pooling resources to feed the poor, and help the needy, support missions, ect.

The UPC church that I'm attending has seen thousands baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost. We have daughter works throughout the county to reach people, We are seeing people being baptized and filled on a regular basis. We support missions, have a bible teaching institute, support young evangelists with opportunities to minister. At the moment we are collecting 25,000 shoes for the people of Haiti.

We are doing so much more to advance the kingdom, than we could sitting home by ourselves focusing on our small differences, versus coming together and having revival.

We are in a 40 day progressive fast right now, and the Spirit of God is so pervasive and in evidence in our meetings that people are being filled, healed, delivered, changed, empowered, renewed, encouraged.

I would not trade this precious treasure, my Pastor and church family, for anything.

And I know I am where I'm supposed to be.

[KWSS1976]

Amanah, did they do things in the bible as we do them today in our Churches?? Did they feed the poor in the bible, did they have bible quizzing in the bible,did they have men and lady retreats in the bible...Dont get me wrong I like doing stuff for the community through the churches, but God can move on you not being in a church and being brainwashed by so called religion...and having a pastor pray for you for 30 min while trying to shake the so called intitial evidence out of you...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Well, you get what you pay for.

Speaking of ad hominem attacks...
Perhaps you should take the beam out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter out of mine.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I have nothing against house church, but:

I know of none that preach the Oneness, Acts 2:38 message, and I just can't get excited about people making a decision for Christ and not receiving the new birth.

It is not impossible but unlikely that the 5 fold ministry and 9 gifts of the Spirit are going to be in operation in a handfull of people who are not in fellowship with the larger body of Christ.

There is much benefit in being with a group that has Bible quizzing, youth, ladies, & mens retreats, organized outreach, pooling resources to feed the poor, and help the needy, support missions, ect.

The UPC church that I'm attending has seen thousands baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost. We have daughter works throughout the county to reach people, We are seeing people being baptized and filled on a regular basis. We support missions, have a bible teaching institute, support young evangelists with opportunities to minister. At the moment we are collecting 25,000 shoes for the people of Haiti.

We are doing so much more to advance the kingdom, than we could sitting home by ourselves focusing on our small differences, versus coming together and having revival.

We are in a 40 day progressive fast right now, and the Spirit of God is so pervasive and in evidence in our meetings that people are being filled, healed, delivered, changed, empowered, renewed, encouraged.

I would not trade this precious treasure, my Pastor and church family, for anything.

And I know I am where I'm supposed to be.

[n david]

This thread is amazing.......ly absurd. Sorry if that offends you.

It started with the claim that the RCC invented church buildings, tithes, clergy and other things which were then labeled sinful because of the RCC connection...

and now it's just a regular Barnum and Bailey 3-ring circus by spending several pages debating whether or not we should call a building the house of God. Six pages thus far on what to call a building.

SMH

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by n david

This thread is amazing.......ly absurd. Sorry if that offends you.

It started with the claim that the RCC invented church buildings, tithes, clergy and other things which were then labeled sinful because of the RCC connection...

and now it's just a regular Barnum and Bailey 3-ring circus by spending several pages debating whether or not we should call a building the house of God. Six pages thus far on what to call a building.

SMH

let us then debate how many angels can dance in the head of a pin.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

This thread is amazing.......ly absurd. Sorry if that offends you.

It started with the claim that the RCC invented church buildings, tithes, clergy and other things which were then labeled sinful because of the RCC connection...

and now it's just a regular Barnum and Bailey 3-ring circus by spending several pages debating whether or not we should call a building the house of God. Six pages thus far on what to call a building.

SMH