Come Out Of Her My People

[Praxeas]

talk about semantics...yeah she never did say "invent" she said "brought them in" and yet there is no proof the RCC did that

In fact I presented evidence to the contrary

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

David, don't you think that you are stretching the truth, some. A whole lot!

Really?

Originally Posted by renee819;1273973"

Let's face it. We are ruled in the
churches by Pagan Christianity.
It was the Catholic Church that brought
in the Trinity baptism.
The hierarchy of Clergy and Laity.
The paying of tithes.
Church buildings
And many other things.

This isn't just a suggestion, "Come out of
her, my people, that ye be not partakers
of her sins, and that ye receive not of her
plagues." I believe that we should
forsake all the things that SHE brought in,
and go strictly by the Bible.

You claimed it was the RCC which brought in...church buildings.

Originally Posted by renee819

Too comfortable to check, to study, and see if what I'm writing is true. Too afraid, even to calmly discuss what I have written. They would rather throw dirt, mockery and ridicule, than to get out of their comfort zone and do some study.

1) I don't believe your initial post is true.
2) I believe I have calmly discussed this
3) With the exception of one post, which was still a valid question, I have not mocked or ridiculed. It's easy to complain about ridicule and mockery when you don't like the answers.

Originally Posted by renee819

Just as God does not care what you wear, (except all thru the Bible, we are taught to be modest. And if you are modest in heart, you will dress modest,) It is the same with buildings. God does not care what building you meet in. He does not live in buildings. Because we are the church, it is not church, until the people of God get there.

But you said we need to come out of buildings; said they were sins from the RCC. Which is it? This is not ridicule...it's a valid question.

Originally Posted by renee819

But it is not my intention on this Post to discuss buildings, tithes, Trinity, but to discuss, How that people can come out of the lackadaisical mindset, that is causing them to drift towards the falls. And to do that we have to WAKE-UP, and realize, the Leaders are not always right, therefore we have to do some study on our own and know that we know, what God's Word says.

It wasn't your intention to discuss those things!?! You led your first post with those things. Why lead off with that if it wasn't your intention to discuss it?

[Praxeas]

She did not substantiate a single assertion, so the problem is hers

I refuted the argument about buildings.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

She did not substantiate a single assertion, so the problem is hers

I refuted the argument about buildings.

Thank you, and may I say you did a fine job.

[shag]

Our local church gathered in the city park (I mean Gods House) 2 weekends ago. Music, a few testimonies of deliverance, a drama, and then preaching. 14 were baptised.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where is Essias to tell us about calling bible things by bible names..what did the bible call "Men's Conferences" anyways?

Considering that the church leadership was composed of men, I'd say whenever the church leadership (elders, etc) got together for any ecclesial reason it would be the biblical version of a 'men's conference'.



Anyway, we baptised one of my daughters Friday night in the wonderful name of Jesus Christ. She was baptised in the midst of 'God's house' (people who met together in the name of the Lord) in our bathtub, upon her public confession of Jesus Christ, calling upon His name.

We had a wonderful prayer meeting after, and then spent the next morning singing psalms (and an old hymn not found in any hymn book I've seen except the old Gadsby hymnal!) together and studying Lev 16 and Hebrews 9 and 10.

A wonderful Day of Atonement, if I do say so myself. Praise the Lord.

[renee819]

Don't some of you men get it? Buildings is just part of the problem or possibly not the problem at all. It is the mentality that puts emphasis on the building, that people have to come to that building to hear from God. To feel the presence of God. That makes people dependent on one man, to get in touch with God FOR THEM. Leaving the impression, although it is never said, that they can't hear from God themselves. And why should they study, if they have to agree with everything that the ministers say? For instance, if a member, came to the Pastor and said, “Pastor, you said,-------, but the Bible says, ------------.” more than likely they will be shown the door.

I tried that once. I had already made up my mind to leave that church. The Pastor was not only wrong in teaching Positive Thinking doctrine and the Prosperity Doctrine, but was going into other false doctrines. I started talking to him about the Prosperity Doctrine, he didn't let me get very far when he said, “Sister-----don't you dare come against what I am teaching.”
I wouldn't and didn't tell other members, but I left. Later he lost that church and he left.

WHAT IS THE FIVE-FOLD MINISTRY FOR?

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

:

The five-fold ministry is to perfect the saints, in order for them to carry on the ministry.

As the writer of Hebrews wrote, chastizing them for not taking up the work of the ministry,...

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

A ministry, that does not prepare all of the saints, to use the GIFTS that God gave them, for the work of the ministry, to reach out to the lost, and for the members to grow in their own search for more of God, is failing their calling.

Someone is failing somewhere, because it is clear that the Church is nowhere where God wants it, nowhere near making the impact on the world, that the Early Church did. And instead of maturing, it has become a baby, needing milk.

And instead of talking about things that would help the baby grow, help her get out of the Paganism that she is in. Which was my intention in mentioning just some of the glaring problems that the RCC instituted, made it a law, whether they borrowed it from the Jews, or Paganism, they combined it with Christianity.
And as each reformer brought some reformation to the table, they kept some of their former beliefs, like Luther, keeping much of the Catholic Religion. None of them completely coming out of the Traditions set up by the RCC. But each starting a new Denomination.

Then in the early 1900's, as each received the 'born again experience' they came out of those Denominations, the Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, all of the Denominations, but kept some of the Traditions set up by men. And now we in Pentecost have set up some of our own man-made rules, ruling the members by “traditions of men.”

People seem to think of traditions as a good thing, never stopping to find out where the tradition came from, but Jesus said,

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

They, the Priests, had taken the Law of Moses, that God had set up, and added their own traditions, laws and rules. Just as we find the condition of the Church today.
Some Pastors even holding the members in bondage, with their preaching. Not giving the member room to grow. Not encouraging private prayer or Bible study. What if in private Bible study the member finds that the preacher, minister, Pastor, got off track? Can they tell the Pastor? Will the Pastor listen to a lowly member? Or even discuss what is found?

We need Pentecostal Reform, but if no body wants it, or sees the need for it, I see Persecution coming. It will come, because it is prophesied, whether we Reform or not. But I fear for those that will not change, I fear that they will join the One World Religion.
Those that cry out for the truth of Real Pentecost, will be persecuted, but will reap the rewards in the next life.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shag

Our local church gathered in the city park (I mean Gods House) 2 weekends ago. Music, a few testimonies of deliverance, a drama, and then preaching. 14 were baptised.

Ah and you gathered there because the Roman Catholics invented man made buildings?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Considering that the church leadership was composed of men, I'd say whenever the church leadership (elders, etc) got together for any ecclesial reason it would be the biblical version of a 'men's conference'.



Anyway, we baptised one of my daughters Friday night in the wonderful name of Jesus Christ. She was baptised in the midst of 'God's house' (people who met together in the name of the Lord) in our bathtub, upon her public confession of Jesus Christ, calling upon His name.

We had a wonderful prayer meeting after, and then spent the next morning singing psalms (and an old hymn not found in any hymn book I've seen except the old Gadsby hymnal!) together and studying Lev 16 and Hebrews 9 and 10.

A wonderful Day of Atonement, if I do say so myself. Praise the Lord.

But the bible does not use that term "Men's Conference"...remember we are to call things only by what the bible calls them.

You should stand outside these men's conferences and preach fire and brimestone at their wicked ways

[Praxeas]

There is no problem with having a central man made building for meetings.