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09-15-2013, 03:46 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
You can't tell me if the main issue was regarding the one-step vs. three-step? That's all I want to know. If it is not, then tell me it isn't?
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Affirmation statement. I didn't even listen to it.
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09-15-2013, 03:48 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by houston
Affirmation statement. I didn't even listen to it.
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More comments from those who didn't even hear it, it's no wonder the UPC continues to decline.
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09-15-2013, 03:51 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
More comments from those who didn't even hear it, it's no wonder the UPC continues to decline.
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So, you are not going to answer the question? Is it one-step vs. three-step?
I'm listening to something else right now.
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09-15-2013, 03:54 PM
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Saved by Grace
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
More comments from those who didn't even hear it, it's no wonder the UPC continues to decline.
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Seems like Yadon was on target about destroying the barn. I'd love to have seen a more inclusive UPC. Perhaps its not too late but it seems that ship has sailed. If it didn't happen under Urshan/Haney/DKB I don't know who would know enough about the past to seek to bring the 2 (or many now) sides together. Its a shame too, I really like DKB but he seems to want to be willingly ignorant of the past.
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09-15-2013, 03:56 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
It's not anything v. Anything. It's about getting along with others and not killing the innocent.
But you guys are fine with a great man taking a hit for attempting to reconcile an organization headed off the tracks.
Who cares that his life was turned upside down by hateful, angry, jealous men who claimed to have THE Truth, but they have not one once of love, and their truth is suspect at best.
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09-15-2013, 04:13 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
More comments from those who didn't even hear it, it's no wonder the UPC continues to decline.
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Not interested in anything UPC. Thanks.
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09-15-2013, 04:14 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Seems like Yadon was on target about destroying the barn. I'd love to have seen a more inclusive UPC. Perhaps its not too late but it seems that ship has sailed. If it didn't happen under Urshan/Haney/DKB I don't know who would know enough about the past to seek to bring the 2 (or many now) sides together. Its a shame too, I really like DKB but he seems to want to be willingly ignorant of the past.
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DKB is not interested in uniting sides unless you cross over to the side that he is on.
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09-15-2013, 04:19 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Not interested in anything UPC. Thanks.
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Fair enough.
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Originally Posted by houston
DKB is not interested in uniting sides unless you cross over to the side that he is on.
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True words.
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09-15-2013, 04:23 PM
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Re: Tragedy of War RECOVERED! LISTEN!
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
It's not anything v. Anything. It's about getting along with others and not killing the innocent.
But you guys are fine with a great man taking a hit for attempting to reconcile an organization headed off the tracks.
Who cares that his life was turned upside down by hateful, angry, jealous men who claimed to have THE Truth, but they have not one once of love, and their truth is suspect at best.
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Actually, it is about one-step vs. three-step. I didn't have to listen to it to know that, as I thought. The red flag was DA's name. 
"Fellowship the difference." - around the 26 minute marker.
Anyway, my original post stands. It is not possible to fellowship the two views. Why? Because the point of salvation is at odds. Someone and everyone must be true to their beliefs.
There is a "common" salvation and one side is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
How would you ever hope to maintain any type of unity having two messages preached on Sunday - one for the morning and one for the evening? Or one for Sunday and one for Wednesday? The church body would wonder at what point they would be saved.
Obviously, you wanted your point preached and believed. Not much different than the other side's view?
IMO, it would be better to preach the same thing - the "common faith" as Paul terms it. In the Greek, "common" is define as "shared".
Kind of a no-brainer that parting company was the only solution.
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09-15-2013, 04:31 PM
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Saved by Grace
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Originally Posted by houston
DKB is not interested in uniting sides unless you cross over to the side that he is on.
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Yeah seems that way and that's kind of sad. He's got the respect (used to anyway) of enough people in the movement he could do much good for healing if he wanted to. I don't really think DKB in his heart of heart believes initial evidence. In his commentary on Romans he explains justification by faith then throws in a one liner defining saving faith as the 3 step program. In listening to a debate between DKB and James White on tongues (YouTube) in which DKB obviously didn't want to say White wasn't saved but it finally came out after several direct questions and much dancing by DKB. In his book the new birth he puts forgiveness of sins at baptism. When I first read the book I was young in the Lord and actually called to ask him how someone who was baptized in Jesus name and thus had their sins forgiven could go to hell? I didn't receive a satisfactory answer. It was years before I abandoned the IE doctrine, but that was probably the first crack in the dam.
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