Has anyone attended an Apostolic College?

[StillStanding]

I attended a bible college back in the day. I attended for a few reasons.

1. Learn how to become a church music director
2. Get away from home - independence
3. Focus on education
4. Possibly find a mate with similar beliefs and background. (Didn't happen!)

[Lafon]

Why should one that has received the baptism of the Holy Ghost attend an institution created by imperfect man when they possess the best Teacher one could possibly seek residing within them 24/7; One who promises to teach them ALL things, yes, even give them knowledge of things that are to come in the future?

Did not Christ Jesus say?

"... I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (John 14:17-18)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:13-14)

Is there a man-made educational institution anywhere that is able to achieve what Jesus tells us the Spirit of truth is able to do? I know of none.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Has anyone attended an Apostolic College?
I would love to learn Greek so that I could have a better understanding of the bible. Plus I love talking about God's word.

What things did you learn that were helpful?
What things were thrown in there that you thought could have been left out?

If you just want to learn Greek, there are other ways to do so besides attending Bible School.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Why should they go period? You should be able to learn Bible truth at your Church. Any foundation doctrine can be studied on the internet. Any of the Bible can be studied in the Bible itself. Why should someone relocate and pay money when they don't need to?

This is true, but most go to a Bible School for other reasons than just the education. This is what you and Lafon don't understand. Bible School is more than just an education; it's an experience. It's meeting fellow believers, becoming involved in other ministries and opportunities, building confidence in ministry which can't be done at home or local church. Now, can you learn in your own home or church? Absolutely! But you won't gain the experiences you will at a Bible School

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

And as to Oneness and Acts 2:38 my point was that's probably the only thing an Apostolic Bible College would teach and be accurate.

That's really inaccurate. Sure, depending on which organization the school is a part, there may be some courses that are lacking, but they are very few.

Originally Posted by Lafon

Why should one that has received the baptism of the Holy Ghost attend an institution created by imperfect man when they possess the best Teacher one could possibly seek residing within them 24/7; One who promises to teach them ALL things, yes, even give them knowledge of things that are to come in the future?

Is there a man-made educational institution anywhere that is able to achieve what Jesus tells us the Spirit of truth is able to do? I know of none.

Again, completely missing the point.

Here's the deal. If you're simply wanting to learn some Biblical foundations or learn Greek/Hebrew, etc - you can do that without attending a Bible School. If, however, you have a heart for ministry and you want to be a Pastor or Evangelist or even a Teacher or Music minister - definitely consider it. Not just because of the education, but because of what I mentioned above...meeting, making contacts, developing confidence in whatever ministry God has blessed you. You don't HAVE to go to be involved in those ministries, but it does provide benefits.

I still have many contacts that I met in Bible School, who have been valuable sources of encouragement, sound advice, and who have helped in the ministry.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Why should they go period? You should be able to learn Bible truth at your Church. Any foundation doctrine can be studied on the internet. Any of the Bible can be studied in the Bible itself.

Why should someone relocate and pay money when they don't need to?

And as to Oneness and Acts 2:38 my point was that's probably the only thing an Apostolic Bible College would teach and be accurate.

The same reason why anyone goes to college to learn things from someone who is already educated in that area.

Like I said, nobody goes to Bible College to learn Acts 2:38 or Oneness. They MAY learn how to better effectively teach or apologetically argue FOR it vs the internet hacks that usually muddle their way through it.

Here is the Master of Theology from Urshan Graduate school..you'll notice conspicuously missing is a simple lesson on Acts 2:38 and Oneness basics

• Biblical Studies (21)
3 OT Foundations
3 NT Foundations
3 Biblical Interpretation
3 Language I (Greek or Hebrew)
3 Language II (must be same as Language I)
3 Luke/Acts
3 Book Study Elective
• Practical Theology (6)
3 Personal Spiritual Disciplines
3 Mission of the Church
• Biblical Theology (9)
3 Systematic Theology I
3 Systematic Theology II
3 Christology
• Electives from any discipline (6)

Electives from all disciplines
• Historical Theology (6)
3 Early Christian History OR
Reformation & Modern Christian History
3 Modern Pentecostal Movements
• Thesis (3)
Students will develop their plans with a faculty advisor. (Students may take an additional 3 credits for a longer thesis which would replace the elective credit from any discipline.)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Why should one that has received the baptism of the Holy Ghost attend an institution created by imperfect man when they possess the best Teacher one could possibly seek residing within them 24/7; One who promises to teach them ALL things, yes, even give them knowledge of things that are to come in the future?

Did not Christ Jesus say?

"... I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (John 14:17-18)

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you." (John 16:13-14)

Is there a man-made educational institution anywhere that is able to achieve what Jesus tells us the Spirit of truth is able to do? I know of none.

Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The same reason why anyone goes to college to learn things from someone who is already educated in that area.

Like I said, nobody goes to Bible College to learn Acts 2:38 or Oneness. They MAY learn how to better effectively teach or apologetically argue FOR it vs the internet hacks that usually muddle their way through it.

Here is the Master of Theology from Urshan Graduate school..you'll notice conspicuously missing is a simple lesson on Acts 2:38 and Oneness basics

• Biblical Studies (21)
3 OT Foundations
3 NT Foundations
3 Biblical Interpretation
3 Language I (Greek or Hebrew)
3 Language II (must be same as Language I)
3 Luke/Acts
3 Book Study Elective
• Practical Theology (6)
3 Personal Spiritual Disciplines
3 Mission of the Church
• Biblical Theology (9)
3 Systematic Theology I
3 Systematic Theology II
3 Christology
• Electives from any discipline (6)

Electives from all disciplines
• Historical Theology (6)
3 Early Christian History OR
Reformation & Modern Christian History
3 Modern Pentecostal Movements
• Thesis (3)
Students will develop their plans with a faculty advisor. (Students may take an additional 3 credits for a longer thesis which would replace the elective credit from any discipline.)

I understand the Urshan Graduate School is accredited is it not? Can a person who graduated with a bachelor's from a Oneness unaccredited Bible School attend there and get a masters?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Yes the five fold ministry is what we need! But in the early Church of Acts it operated in the Churches. It is absurd to think the gifted Apostolic ministers charged people to teach them the truth. Totally absurd. And that's why Im against a so called "Bible College". Of course along with the fact most of the doctrine they teach is IMO error.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

I understand the Urshan Graduate School is accredited is it not? Can a person who graduated with a bachelor's from a Oneness unaccredited Bible School attend there and get a masters?

Yes accredited. I don't know

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes the five fold ministry is what we need! But in the early Church of Acts it operated in the Churches. It is absurd to think the gifted Apostolic ministers charged people to teach them the truth. Totally absurd. And that's why Im against a so called "Bible College". Of course along with the fact most of the doctrine they teach is IMO error.

You missed the point. teachers are taught. Paul was taught.

So now your real issue is they charge money? Can we stick to one REAL issue? So it's not about teaching Acts 2:38 and basic Oneness...because That is not what goes on at Bible schools..

The issue is you don't like the fact they charge for an College level education?

Well, consider this. Once those people get their degrees, hopefully they can go to our churches and then teach what they've learned (which was my original point) and you won't have to pay.

But sadly...things cost money. Even in the NT church if you wanted a copy of the bible you paid

If you like you can go to a third world nation and learn there by going through some Alpha courses, but you probably won't learn Greek and Hebrew and mostly will just learn Doctrine again

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Of course along with the fact most of the doctrine they teach is IMO error.

Right, you say this but you've never been there so you don't know what they teach.