Strange Fire Conference - Page 17

Abiding Now · #**161** 10-23-2013, 10:07 PM

Mar 5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
Mar 5:26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
Mar 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.

seekerman · #**162** 10-23-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Mar 5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
Mar 5:26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
Mar 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.

You aren't going to answer.

Troubling and sad really.

KeptByTheWord · #**163** 10-23-2013, 10:17 PM

I have lost my taste for jumping into the middle of debates that never seem to end, and go in circles, but... I feel I have to say this, even as I believe I have addressed this same issue before in a different thread some years ago...

I do know personally families that have been taught that going to the doctor was evil, and wrong, and one family I know of in particular, the wife suffers to this day with injuries because of not going to the doctor, and trying to have faith in the Lord instead, believing that going to a doctor would send her to hell.

I myself have a family member whose parents believed that trusting God was better than doctors, and sadly after a prolonged illness, their child stopped breathing and when they couldn't revive him, EMS was summoned and began resuscitation. The baby was revived, and lived, however, to this day is severely mentally handicapped. Who failed? The parents who were trusting God, or was it the pastor telling them to believe God, that God would heal the child?

You see... there is nothing wrong with trusting the Lord, and not trusting in doctors.

However, I do believe it is wrong to teach that you are "sinning" by going to a doctor, which I think is what Seekerman is trying to point out.

All of us should recognize that doctors are simply "practicing" medicine, and they certainly don't have all the answers, and make many mistakes, and people die in their care. However, on the other hand, they have helped to make people well too.

The evil here is that there are pastors who teach that it is evil and sinful, even worthy of hell fire to go to see a doctor, and that is negligent of your faith in the Lord. I do want to say this kind of teaching is evil, and wrong.

The right way to teach people is to have faith and trust in the Lord, but that many times, the Lord may direct us to seek the help of a physician for whatever his greater plan may be, and that in itself is not sinful, or evil.

And most of the time, the very people that teach it is wrong to see a doctor, when it comes to their own family, or themselves, will break their own teaching, and seek out a doctor in their hour of need, while others have died, holding onto their faith. That is an evil practice, and it will be dealt with by the Lord himself.

seekerman · #**164** 10-23-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I have lost my taste for jumping into the middle of debates that never seem to end, and go in circles, but... I feel I have to say this, even as I believe I have addressed this same issue before in a different thread some years ago...

I do know personally families that have been taught that going to the doctor was evil, and wrong, and one family I know of in particular, the wife suffers to this day with injuries because of not going to the doctor, and trying to have faith in the Lord instead, believing that going to a doctor would send her to hell.

I myself have a family member whose parents believed that trusting God was better than doctors, and sadly after a prolonged illness, their child stopped breathing and when they couldn't revive him, EMS was summoned and began resuscitation. The baby was revived, and lived, however, to this day is severely mentally handicapped. Who failed? The parents who were trusting God, or was it the pastor telling them to believe God, that God would heal the child?

You see... there is nothing wrong with trusting the Lord, and not trusting in doctors.

However, I do believe it is wrong to teach that you are "sinning" by going to a doctor, which I think is what Seekerman is trying to point out.

All of us should recognize that doctors are simply "practicing" medicine, and they certainly don't have all the answers, and make many mistakes, and people die in their care. However, on the other hand, they have helped to make people well too.

The evil here is that there are pastors who teach that it is evil and sinful, even worthy of hell fire to go to see a doctor, and that is negligent of your faith in the Lord. I do want to say this kind of teaching is evil, and wrong.

The right way to teach people is to have faith and trust in the Lord, but that many times, the Lord may direct us to seek the help of a physician for whatever his greater plan may be, and that in itself is not sinful, or evil.

And most of the time, the very people that teach it is wrong to see a doctor, when it comes to their own family, or themselves, will break their own teaching, and seek out a doctor in their hour of need, while others have died, holding onto their faith. That is an evil practice, and it will be dealt with by the Lord himself.

Finally, someone actually taking a stand! Thank you very much!

RandyWayne · #**165** 10-23-2013, 10:26 PM

Doctors, while they still make mistakes, are orders of magnitude better than they were 100 years ago. BUT, you'll still run into corrupt doctors, just like you'll run into corrupt pastors.

A pastor who preaches against doctors is akin to someone who preaches against the teaching that the Earth circles around the Sun rather than the other way around. It is called progress.

KeptByTheWord · #**166** 10-23-2013, 10:40 PM

Seekerman, the problem I believe you are addressing is the fact that it is taught that "going to the doctor is a SIN" which will send you to hell... and for that reason, people - in fear - turn to the Lord fearing death of both their body and soul because of teaching gone astray.

I stand with you Seekerman, that it is a sad and evil practice, that has resulted in deaths of precious saints who were scared into believing "believe or die", and they died anyway. Who knows... they may have died had they sought a doctor's treatment, but the very teaching that "going to a doctor is sin worthy of hell"... is despicable.

Of note though, I would NEVER judge someone who in their faith believed and trusted God, and it was a personal thing between them and God, to trust and have faith, and not see a doctor for their illness, regardless of how it turned out. It is their personal decision, and walk of faith with the Lord.

However, if they believed they were going to hell because of not having enough faith to trust in God, then I would have to speak up and say... pray, and seek the Lord, ask Him what to do. Don't limit God by saying you won't go to a doctor! Perhaps he has a greater plan with you going to a doctor, than simply not at all... how are we to know the mind of God?

Example: I know a man who lived a great life of faith and healing. God touched and healed him many times. One particular time though, as he was ill, he understood from the Lord as he prayed that he was to seek medical attention, of which he was reluctant to do, as he wanted to trust God, but continued to be led strongly to do so. So, he did seek medical attention, which ended requiring open heart surgery for him. In the hospital, the lady in the bed next to him was dying. He began to witness to her, and she received the Holy Ghost there in the hospital room, revived from her illness, and went on to live a life of service to the Lord! What if he hadn't obeyed God, and stayed home?

You see... God has bigger plans and purposes that we can see... sometimes he heals, and sometimes he just takes us on to eternity. Sometimes he uses our illnesses to teach us things, or to bring a healing work into the life of someone else... so limiting God by saying NEVER go to the doctor ... is evil ... and binds a greater work that the Lord may be trying to accomplish.

Even in my life, there have been times I felt the Lord show me He would heal me, and He did, and other times as I prayed, I felt led to seek a physician's treatment. This is walking by faith, trusting in the guiding Hand of the Lord in all things!

seekerman · #**167** 10-23-2013, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Seekerman, the problem I believe you are addressing is the fact that it is taught that "going to the doctor is a SIN" which will send you to hell... and for that reason, people - in fear - turn to the Lord fearing death of both their body and soul because of teaching gone astray.

I stand with you Seekerman, that it is a sad and evil practice, that has resulted in deaths of precious saints who were scared into believing "believe or die", and they died anyway. Who knows... they may have died had they sought a doctor's treatment, but the very teaching that "going to a doctor is sin worthy of hell"... is despicable.

Of note though, I would NEVER judge someone who in their faith believed and trusted God, and it was a personal thing between them and God, to trust and have faith, and not see a doctor for their illness, regardless of how it turned out. It is their personal decision, and walk of faith with the Lord.

However, if they believed they were going to hell because of not having enough faith to trust in God, then I would have to speak up and say... pray, and seek the Lord, ask Him what to do. Don't limit God by saying you won't go to a doctor! Perhaps he has a greater plan with you going to a doctor, than simply not at all... how are we to know the mind of God?

Example: I know a man who lived a great life of faith and healing. God touched and healed him many times. One particular time though, as he was ill, he understood from the Lord as he prayed that he was to seek medical attention, of which he was reluctant to do, as he wanted to trust God, but continued to be led strongly to do so. So, he did seek medical attention, which ended requiring open heart surgery for him. In the hospital, the lady in the bed next to him was dying. He began to witness to her, and she received the Holy Ghost there in the hospital room, revived from her illness, and went on to live a life of service to the Lord! What if he hadn't obeyed God, and stayed home?

You see... God has bigger plans and purposes that we can see... sometimes he heals, and sometimes he just takes us on to eternity. Sometimes he uses our illnesses to teach us things, or to bring a healing work into the life of someone else... so limiting God by saying NEVER go to the doctor ... is evil ... and binds a greater work that the Lord may be trying to accomplish.

Even in my life, there have been times I felt the Lord show me He would heal me, and He did, and other times as I prayed, I felt led to seek a physician's treatment. This is walking by faith, trusting in the guiding Hand of the Lord in all things!

Good post, thank you for sharing this.