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n david · #51 10-25-2013, 12:47 PM

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You don't control your tongue. When you speak in tongues, you're not in control of your tongue.

Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.

How is it possible to abuse tongues if you do not control it?

Are you asking how someone could abuse tongues if they're not in control of their tongue?

There's been this misconception of what I meant by posting a person is not in control when speaking in tongues. It's completely and entirely false that I believe people don't have control of their bodily functions, even when speaking in tongues.

A person has control whether or not they open their mouth. What they do not have control over is their tongue when speaking in tongues....the utterance, words, etc.

To answer your question, I'll refer to 1 Corinthians 14. There are a number of ways you can abuse tongues, but this is an example I've seen most...

“When you assemble, one has a psalm, another an instruction, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Everything should be done for building up. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let it be two or at most three, and each in turn, and one should interpret. But if there is no interpreter, the person should keep silent in the church and speak to himself and to God.”—1Corinthians 14:26-27

Abusing tongues would be a person loudly speaking in tongues during a service when the person has not been led of God to do so, and there is no interpretation. The person doing this is not in control of their tongue - the utterances coming forth - but they are in control and well able to sit down and be quiet. I've seen this happen many times.

These verses speak of that. "If there is no interpreter, the person should keep silent in the church and speak to himself and to God."

I don't like when preachers speak in tongues loud and direct into the microphone. It doesn't edify anyone. Personally, when I speak in tongues when preaching or leading worship, I do so to away from the mic and quietly -- "to [my]self and to God."

Does that answer your question?

Abiding Now · #52 10-25-2013, 12:57 PM

I'm skeered of folks that are supposedly "lost in the Spirit and have no control".

1Cor. 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

n david · #53 10-25-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I'm skeered of folks that are supposedly "lost in the Spirit and have no control".

1Cor. 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

I agree.

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Following up the assertion in 1Co 14:31, "Ye can (if ye will) prophesy one by one," that is, restrain yourselves from speaking all together; "and the spirits of the prophets," that is, their own spirits, acted on by the Holy Spirit, are not so hurried away by His influence, as to cease to be under their own control; they can if they will hear others, and not demand that they alone should be heard uttering communications from God.

renee819 · #54 10-25-2013, 06:37 PM

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I'm skeered of folks that are supposedly "lost in the Spirit and have no control".

1Cor. 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

Me too.

Abiding Now · #55 10-25-2013, 07:30 PM

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I agree.

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Me too.

I have heard about some really stupid things being done by folks that "were lost in the spureet".

n david · #56 10-25-2013, 07:45 PM

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I have heard about some really stupid things being done by folks that "were lost in the spureet".

I'm sure we all have stories.

Though I have to say, in the past several years, the churches I've visited haven't been as wild and crazy as the 80s and 90s.

Esaias · #57 10-26-2013, 12:32 AM

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These verses speak of that. "If there is no interpreter, the person should keep silent in the church and speak to himself and to God."

How does anyone know if 'there is no interpreter' BEFORE the tongue-speaker begins their message to the church?

Seems to me the 'interpreter' would be someone known to have that gift...which seems to contradict the common practice of having a message in tongues, and then everyone 'waiting for the interpretation to come forth' from some quarter...

renee819 · #58 10-26-2013, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

How does anyone know if 'there is no interpreter' BEFORE the tongue-speaker begins their message to the church?

Seems to me the 'interpreter' would be someone known to have that gift...which seems to contradict the common practice of having a message in tongues, and then everyone 'waiting for the interpretation to come forth' from some quarter...

Good question. But I have seen, someone bring forth the interpretation that usually didn't do that. I almost did once. But I only had the first few words and was afraid that it was just me. When another person, interpreted, they started out with the same words that I had.

n david · #59 10-26-2013, 06:43 AM

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How does anyone know if 'there is no interpreter' BEFORE the tongue-speaker begins their message to the church?

Seems to me the 'interpreter' would be someone known to have that gift...which seems to contradict the common practice of having a message in tongues, and then everyone 'waiting for the interpretation to come forth' from some quarter...

It does appear, from the way the verse is written, that the interpreter is already known for their gift. The church I grew up seemed to have one person who always gave the interpretation. There were several over the years who spoke in tongues, but IIRC, he was generally the one who gave the interpretation. There may have been someone else a time or two, but mostly just the one man.