Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC

[houston]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I feel sorry for the people you pastor. It would be very unfortunate to have a pastor that didnt know what he believed.

he doesn't know what he believes?

[Nitehawk013]

I'd find it refreshing actually to have leaders who openly admitted to not knowing it all and having some theological reservations about some oof our "core" doctrines. Men who were just honest enough to tell everyone "we haven't got it all figured out. We believe this, but you know what...we might be wrong".

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I feel sorry for the people you pastor. It would be very unfortunate to have a pastor that didnt know what he believed.

Just because I visited a UPC church pastored by a guy I've known from way back means I don't know what I believe?

Maybe it just means that even though I left the UPC and don't agree with all they teach and believe I still find some things we have in common and consider them brothers and sisters in Christ, thus I don't have a problem worshipping with them.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Just because I visited a UPC church pastored by a guy I've known from way back means I don't know what I believe? Maybe it just means that even though I left the UPC and don't agree with all they teach and believe I still find some things we have in common and consider them brothers and sisters in Christ, thus I don't have a problem worshipping with them.

exactly... And you are far more kinder to them than I am... Lol

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Assuming tongues us the only initial evidence that one has received the Spirit.
However the fact that most OPs believe sins are washed away at baptism leaves them with a soteriology which says the sinners sins are forgiven, covered under the blood of Jesus but they are still lost until they speak in tongues....which is years for some and never for others.

I never did hear myself speak in tongues when I received the Holy Ghost. That came shortly later. Ooops, then how did I know? I experienced a warm sunburst of glowing light several times on different occasions at the alter. I stated there was a light and the Pastors wife said "like a sunburst" I replied, "yes."

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Rudy

I never did hear myself speak in tongues when I received the Holy Ghost. That came shortly later. Ooops, then how did I know? I experienced a warm sunburst of glowing light several times on different occasions at the alter. I stated there was a light and the Pastors wife said "like a sunburst" I replied, "yes."

Kinda reminds me of my first kiss back when I was about ten years old, it was awesome! Sent chills down my spine. Then I realized my little girlfriend had dropped her ice cream down my shirt collar.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I'd find it refreshing actually to have leaders who openly admitted to not knowing it all and having some theological reservations about some oof our "core" doctrines. Men who were just honest enough to tell everyone "we haven't got it all figured out. We believe this, but you know what...we might be wrong".

I have long ago gave up on the idea that I have perfect theology. That is why I was willing to change some of my doctrinal beliefs. Of course changing some of my beliefs made me an unwanted person by some fellow Apostolics.

The fact that I do not believe exactly like most Apostolics do not make me any less apostolic, where is it written who is Apostolic? or who determines what beliefs makes one a true apostolic?

How come I have no problem accepting my UPC or those from other Apostolic organizations as truly saved? I have no problem praying with them and fully embracing them as brethren in Christ, yet they refuse to do the same with others?

I read, believe and obey the Bible just like my brethren in the UPC, WPF and other organizations, the only difference is that I do not accept their interpretation of scriptures. Of course the moment you do not interpret the scriptures like they do, then they immediately consider you not even saved. (and that is a bunch of crock)

It is false pride to assume that only you have perfect theology and everyone else is incorrect. That is why we have all kinds of denominations, because most are unwilling to accept the fact that their doctrines might be incorrect.

[tv1a]

It takes some time to sort out the junk that is passes as truth. Deprogramming is a process.

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I feel sorry for the people you pastor. It would be very unfortunate to have a pastor that didnt know what he believed.

[tv1a]

Sad thing about the "moderate" wing of the UPCI. They still have to placate legalism in order to survive in the organization. They have to "appear" to be something they are not.
Even with recent attempts to swing to a "moderate" approach. Preachers are still leaving the organization. It is too little too late.

[houston]

It’s a little too late,
I’m a little too gone,
A little too tired of just hangin’ on
I’m letting go while I’m still strong enough to

It’s got a little too sad,
I’m a little too blue
It’s a little too bad
You were too good to be true
I’m big time over you baby
It’s a little too late