Can God Pray?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I can't really say anything to that. If someone refuses to try and understand something because another uses an analogy... i just don't know what to say.

I always find that the discussion centers on the analogy instead of scripture. Who does the snake represent, who does the cow represent? Well, cows aren't snakes and snakes aren't cows but there is one master manipulator controlling both of them, now who is the master manipulator?

The trinitarians do the same thing with the egg analogy. Shells and yolks don't have interpersonal relationships though.

Analogies always fail. Simply discuss God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ without using snakes, cows and eggs.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Except, as much as it pains me to say this, those issues do not actually arise in prax's philisophy. I did explain the reason why but you just refused to listen because I used an analogy.

In prax's philosophy, are there interpersonal relationships between God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ...who isn't God?

I guess only prax knows for sure.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by seekerman

It wasn't just praying, He and His Father and God loved each other in a personal relationship. Was His will and the will of His Father and God the same? No, not according to scripture. Jesus submitted His will to His Father and God's will.

I don't disagree that Jesus was an example, but He wasn't God.

Since Jesus is specificly called God multiple times in the Bibledo you just reject those passages?

I agree that Jesus and the Father are not the same person but this does not mean that Jesus was not GOd just not the Father. As to His submitting His will to the Fathers will again that this shows is that He is our example and like Jesus we should live a life of submission to God.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Luke

Since Jesus is specificly called God multiple times in the Bibledo you just reject those passages?

I agree that Jesus and the Father are not the same person but this does not mean that Jesus was not GOd just not the Father. As to His submitting His will to the Fathers will again that this shows is that He is our example and like Jesus we should live a life of submission to God.

Since Jesus Himself says that His God and Father is the same as His brethren's God and Father, do you just reject that? Do you dismiss the entirety of John 17?

If Jesus is God then God anointed Himself, died, rose on the third day and ascended to His God who was Himself. God Jesus had a different will than that of His Father and God, but God Jesus and God Father were one who loved each other when it was actually God loving Himself.

This is a perfect example of folks using their favorite scriptures to prove something in the bible and ignoring those passages which contradict their view. We all do it, it seems.

And, Jesus being an example has nothing to do with Him being God or not.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I can't really say anything to that. If someone refuses to try and understand something because another uses an analogy... i just don't know what to say.

Yeah..

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I always find that the discussion centers on the analogy instead of scripture. Who does the snake represent, who does the cow represent? Well, cows aren't snakes and snakes aren't cows but there is one master manipulator controlling both of them, now who is the master manipulator?

The trinitarians do the same thing with the egg analogy. Shells and yolks don't have interpersonal relationships though.

Analogies always fail. Simply discuss God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ without using snakes, cows and eggs.

The snake and cow aren't an anology. The snake and cow are an example not an analogy. Prax's position can be extended to anything and as such I extended it to a snake and a cow to provide an example. I thought it might be easier to focus on the connections when using an example that isn't as close to your heart as God and Jesus. Instead you refuse to use the example because to you its an analogy. But in this situation it's an example and regardless of which two things you choose to talk about as being one thing Prax's solution works all the same.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The snake and cow aren't an anology. The snake and cow are an example not an analogy. Prax's position can be extended to anything and as such I extended it to a snake and a cow to provide an example. I thought it might be easier to focus on the connections when using an example that isn't as close to your heart as God and Jesus. Instead you refuse to use the example because to you its an analogy. But in this situation it's an example and regardless of which two things you choose to talk about as one thing Prax's solution works all the same.

I really only want to focus on God and Jesus and their interpersonal relationship. Not trying to be difficult, but I cannot make the transition from God and Jesus to snakes and cows.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by seekerman

In prax's philosophy, are there interpersonal relationships between God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ...who isn't God?

I guess only prax knows for sure.

In Prax's philosophy there are real relationships between God and the man Jesus. I don't believe the term "interpersonal" really applies though since he just has one person. A better term for him might be that he has "interbeing relationships" between God and the man Jesus.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I really only want to focus on God and Jesus and their interpersonal relationship. Not trying to be difficult, but I cannot make the transition from God and Jesus to snakes and cows.

Then lets talk in general because it all works the same. Do you believe there can be one thing which is or controls two other totally unrelated things?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

In Prax's philosophy there are real relationships between God and the man Jesus. I don't believe the term "interpersonal" really applies though since he just has one person. A better term for him might be that he has "interbeing relationships" between God and the man Jesus.

Or 'interentity'. Whatever term is used it should recognize that there was a relationship between to somethings, not one something with multiple relationships with Himself.