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Originally Posted by mfblume
That is worn out and faulty.
Wrong. Jesus had not died and no one could get baptized into his death when the thief spoke to Jesus.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
You cannot take the thief and his lack of baptism to say we do not need it today. It is baptism into DEATH. The Lord had not even died yet!
In fact, Jesus told the disciples in Luke 24:47-49 to BEGIN preaching Acts 2:38 43 days after the thief had his encounter with Jesus. You cannot take the thief example and show how people get saved today. That is ignorant of Luke 24:47-49.
Luk 24:47-49 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, >>>>>>>BEGINNING<<<<<<<< at Jerusalem. (48) And ye are witnesses of these things. (49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Act 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Jesus had not preached it and neither did the apostles. They BEGAN in Acts 2 long after the thief spoke to the Lord. ANYTHING before the death of Jesus, and more importantly before the ATONEMENT made by Christ after His ascension, DOES NOT fall within this dispensation of the New Covenant where we obey Acts 2:38. |
Oh my. There is just so much wrong with this.
So Jesus came and preached a message for three and a half years that was invalid upon His death? What?!!!
Were the disciples lost before they went to the Upper Room?
Did they go there in order to receive salvation?
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