An Apology

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And he still did not answer Essias's questions

Is a discussion so wrong? Tell you what, I'll answer anyone's questions if they answer mine. Deal?

[seekerman]

Oh, and here's brother epley's non-answer to my question.

[seekerman]
Do you and the Lambeth feller have the same fellowship circles? Have you fellowshipped with folks who have allowed infants and children, husbands and wives to die for lack of medical attention?

[Steve Epley]
Seekerman I have supported MIssionary Lambeth and beena friend for over 25 years. And yes I have fellowshipped folks who trusted God for their healing without medical aid.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Is a discussion so wrong? Tell you what, I'll answer anyone's questions if they answer mine. Deal?

Discussions often include questions and answers..

You didn't answer Essias's questions. You will never answer a question because you will go back to some controversy where you will insist So and So never answered a question back in 2011.

Second my experience with you is when someone answers a question and offers an explanation in addition to the answer, you refuse to acknowledge it and assert they never answered

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Oh, and here's brother epley's non-answer to my question.

Seeker that question has nothing to do with doctrine. Questions like those are done by people like you so you can have some personal information on someone and then pester them on it.

Epley's personal life or associations are none of your business. If he wants to share he can but it's not your business.

[Praxeas]

BTW it looks like he answered the question to me

[Farfel]

Bro. Epley, we haven't always agreed on everything, but I still hold a large amount of respect for you. I wish you would stay, but if you feel like you need to go, you will be missed.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Discussions often include questions and answers..

You didn't answer Essias's questions. You will never answer a question because you will go back to some controversy where you will insist So and So never answered a question back in 2011.

Second my experience with you is when someone answers a question and offers an explanation in addition to the answer, you refuse to acknowledge it and assert they never answered

There are answers and then there are responses. There's a big difference in the two.

In discussing various theological views with oneness pentecostals I find there's a few scriptures they use, ignoring the many which conflict with their doctrines. I welcome dialog, but that dialog must include the passages which may not be palatable to them. An example is the scripture where Thomas exclaims "my Lord and my God" which, in their opinion, proves that Jesus is God. There's much more to the scripture than just a snippet though.

First, was that literally God which Thomas was literally feeling? (Now's switcheroo time I suspect). Did God have scars in His hands and feet, a scarred God? Jesus shortly before identified His God as Thomas' God. We must take all the issues if we are to discuss the passage.

No, taking one scripture, sometimes even a snippet, and asking a question doesn't do justice. In this case, the question concerning Thomas calling Jesus "God" has broad ramifications.

Do we really want to discuss Thomas' statement or do we just want to take the statement and confine it in the cloak of simple-mindedness?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Seeker that question has nothing to do with doctrine. Questions like those are done by people like you so you can have some personal information on someone and then pester them on it.

Epley's personal life or associations are none of your business. If he wants to share he can but it's not your business.

It has everything to do with the doctrine that some teach which results in men, women, infants and children suffering and dying for lack of medical care because of doctrinal reasons.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW it looks like he answered the question to me

Look again...

[seekerman]
Do you and the Lambeth feller have the same fellowship circles? Have you fellowshipped with folks who have allowed infants and children, husbands and wives to die for lack of medical attention?

[Steve Epley]
Seekerman I have supported MIssionary Lambeth and beena friend for over 25 years. And yes I have fellowshipped folks who trusted God for their healing without medical aid.

Now, please point out where epley addressed the issue of those in his fellowship which allow INFANTS and CHILDREN to suffer and die for lack of medical attention. Epley answered about those who trusted God for themselves completely evading the issue of those who listen to theology which results in one's infants and children to suffer and die.

[phareztamar]

I remember as a young man, my son was very ill, and I decided I was gonna step out on faith, and trust God to heal him. Took him to the altar, had him prayed for, and waited.... He was getting worse. Finally, my pastor came by, and offered these very wise words:

Brother, if you want to test your faith in God's healing, perhaps you should wait until you are sick...in the mean time, take your son to the doctor.