No Doctors Doctrine?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Didn't Tom Barnes teach trusting God for healing rather than going to the doctor? Worked for him, lived to a ripe old age.

Use of doctors and medicine is greatly abused in our culture, the human body has much greater ability to heal itself than many give it credit. Matter fact, much of the bodies natural healing ability is destroyed by medicines today.
But if you break a leg, get injured in a car wreck, hopefully a trauma center is close by, medical science does a great job of saving lives.

Most threatens to our health is self imposed by unhealthy habits, in diet and activity. Lose that extra 40 lbs and you will be amazed at how healthy you suddenly are. Not with crazy diets, that don't work, only make you fatter. Get the old book, "Fit for Life" eat the menus in it for two years, and I guarantee you'll feel 10-15 years younger and stronger.

Most people eat garbage, nutrition wise, and expect doctors to fit all their health problems with medicine. Doctors treat the symptoms, that cause side effects, then treat the side effects, all to try to keep folks alive, but it is a losing battle, due to diet and activity!!!

We all know it is true, we just have so much emotional issues we don't have the ability to do what we know.

I am trying, and somewhat succeeding in doing something about it, lost 30 lbs over three years kept 20 of it off, working on another 20. When I follow the "Fit for Life" plan it is easy...and I fill satisfied.

I completely agree with his and people should try to do more for themselves. However, that would be different than a "Don't go to doctors or go to hell" doctrine.

And I am sure that none of them say "Don't go to doctors or go to hell" but they also say standards are not salvational but you supposedly go to hell if you quit doing them so I believe in trusting God for healing, but the custom in the church is more important than the doctrine they teach as far as whether people will fear hell over their choices or not.

I don't even have a problem with people wanting to live standards as principles they believe in. It's the salvational aspect (holiness or hell) whether taught by doctrine or culture or example that I really take issue with.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Wondering how widespread the teaching AGAINST doctors and medical assistance for children really is.

Do you know of an Apostolic/Pentecostal church within 50 miles of your home where the pastor teaches for the members to refrain from using medical assistance for themselves and their children to the point of death or being disfellowshipped?

No names are needed.

Thanks to all that posted. Evidently the "doctrine" isn't as prevalent as was portrayed. Thankfully there are preachers that still preach that Jesus is a healer and yet do not tell folks they will go to hell if they do seek medical help.
My feelings have always been, how could a preacher blame church folks that came for prayer and anointing with oil by the elders, but did not get relief and sought medical help. They came to the church FIRST.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The two most famous healing Evangelists of the early Pentecostal Movement preached it was a sin to seek medical help from what I recall.

John G. Lake and Smith Wigglesworth.

Were they merely backwoods bumpkins? According to Pentecostal history thousands were healed under their ministries.

Could be, if they really taught it was a sin.

I don't trust Pentecostal history much.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Elder Donald Lance who was from the Chicago area, I think is now in Tennessee told me back in 1982 all his children were born at home. I don't know if he preached AGAINST Doctors but certainly preached TRUSTING God.

those aren't the same things

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The Pentecostal Mission, a Trinitarian org founded in Sri Lanka in the 1920's teaches absolute trust in God for healing. Two things one coming out for the ministry must agree to.

Never ask for money. Trust God only for healing. To take meds or go to Doctors is counted as a sin.

http://wordwillsave.com/cpm/

How many babies died because of their advice?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The Pentecostal Mission, a Trinitarian org founded in Sri Lanka in the 1920's teaches absolute trust in God for healing. Two things one coming out for the ministry must agree to.

Never ask for money. Trust God only for healing. To take meds or go to Doctors is counted as a sin.

http://wordwillsave.com/cpm/

Hope none of them wear eye glasses.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Bro. Lance passed away this past August....a good man!

Sorry to hear. He was a good man one of the few Apostolic Preachers I looked up to. Taught the post trib rapture. Did you happen to know Elder Delbert Havens in Springfield Ohio?

[commonsense]

I never heard it preached, but have seen individuals that believed it. Obviously it's best to have faith and trust God for healing. But there are folks that suffer needlessly when a Dr. Could help. It's that commonsense rule!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

How many babies died because of their advice?

Well anyone who endures in the Church eventually dies of natural causes. Many are blessed with good health, many are healed by Jesus in their lifetime.

My Pastor related once his little brother bowels came out his rectum. His parents took him to the hospital. They were put out of the Church for 1 year.

He said they were very happy to be able to come back.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Hope none of them wear eye glasses.

In the days I was around them the chief apostle in America wore glasses.