No Doctors Doctrine?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Sorry, but I still don't see how this no-doctor doctrine is unBiblical.

Are any sick among you? Pray. They will be healed. Bible.

Every good and perfect gift is from above. Bible.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Bible.

If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. Etc. etc. etc. Bible.

Ye have not, because ye ask not. Bible.

Now, if it is Biblical to pray for healing and if it doesn't work use doctors, please show us.

As your faith be it unto you.

Bible doesn't say if you pray and the prayer doesn't work then go an seek medical attention.

Yet Jediwill83 did bring up an interesting portion from one of the Deuterocanonical books.

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Interesting Apocryphal scripture I found.

Sirach 38:1-15 (CEBA)

On physicians
1 Honor doctors for their services, since indeed the Lord created them. 2 Healing comes from the Most High, and the king will reward them. 3 The skill of doctors will make them eminent, and they will be admired in the presence of the great. 4 The Lord created medicines out of the earth, and a sensible person won't ignore them. 5 Wasn't water made sweet by means of wood so that the Lord's strength might be known? 6 And he endowed human beings with skill so that he would be glorified through his marvelous deeds. 7 With those medicines, the doctor cures and takes away pain. 8 Those who prepare ointments will make a compound out of them, and their work will never be finished, and well-being spreads over the whole world from them. 9 My child, when you are sick, don't look around elsewhere, but pray to the Lord, and he will heal you. 10 Stay far from error, direct your hands rightly, and cleanse your heart from all sin. 11 Offer a sweet-smelling sacrifice and a memorial of fine flour, and pour an offering of oil, using what you can afford. 12 And give doctors a place, because the Lord created them also, and don't let them leave you, because you indeed need them. 13 There's a time when success is in their hands as well. 14 They will also ask the Lord so that he might grant them rest and healing in order to preserve life. 15 May those who sin against their creator fall into the hands of a doctor.

Still remember as YOUR faith be it unto you.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by tv1a

One of the dumbest thing I hear is pray for God's will to be done to heal my disease. Then they go to doctors. Do they really want " God's Will "?

This is faulty logic. Is a person exhibiting a lack of faith if they pray for the Lord to provide and then go look for a job?

If we are to simply pray for needs then wait and not avail ourselves of the available options then I hope none of ya'll ever go to the grocercy store for the food that you need.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Luke

This is faulty logic. Is a person exhibiting a lack of faith if they pray for the Lord to provide and then go look for a job?

Does this mean you not only pray for situations concerning health problems but you instruct all who come to you for prayer to seek medical attention? The elders (ministers) are the ones who are called to pray and anoint the sick saint. Nowhere is instruction given to seek physicians? How then is Tv showing faulty logic? He read the scriptures and knowing no where in the Bible which says to seek the physicians, or seek medical attention, he posted his comment. Hence other Christians do likewise.

Originally Posted by Luke

If we are to simply pray for needs then wait and not avail ourselves of the available options then I hope none of ya'll ever go to the grocercy store for the food that you need.

Now this makes no sense, you hope no one goes to the store for food? Is that what Tv was saying in his post? Again, he read the verses and posted what the verse says plainly. Deal with that, not some issue about having needs for food and just sitting and waiting for food to appear. Although Moses prayed for the needs of the tribes of Israel, and God gave them everything that they needed. Does this now mean that God could not also provide miraculously other needs in our lives? I have a good friend who won't lock his car, or his home because he feels it would be showing a lack of faith, yet we are not instructed to tempt the Lord by thinking that He is obligated to us being presumptuous. Now a person getting sick, or in a desperate situation and putting more faith in the medical profession than God may cause some problems, and therefore before we come to these situations people need to have a pretty strong relationship with God. It seems everyone is under God's mercy, but not everyone is under God's blessings.

[tv1a]

First of all, no one has to pray God's will be done for healing. The stripes on Jesus's back took care if that. All healing is done. The second point the Lord's Prayer says the first thing we ask us for the Kingdom to manifest on earth. If there is no sickness or disease in heaven, the proper prayer is to declare healing show up on earth. Faith is not the hope something will happen. Faith is the expectancy based on a Word. It is a belief what God says comes to pass.

Originally Posted by Luke

This is faulty logic. Is a person exhibiting a lack of faith if they pray for the Lord to provide and then go look for a job?

If we are to simply pray for needs then wait and not avail ourselves of the available options then I hope none of ya'll ever go to the grocercy store for the food that you need.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by tv1a

First of all, no one has to pray God's will be done for healing. The stripes on Jesus's back took care if that. All healing is done. The second point the Lord's Prayer says the first thing we ask us for the Kingdom to manifest on earth. If there is no sickness or disease in heaven, the proper prayer is to declare healing show up on earth. Faith is not the hope something will happen. Faith is the expectancy based on a Word. It is a belief what God says comes to pass.

While I do believe that we are healed because of his stripes both physically and spiritually...... both of the scriptures that speak of being healed by his stripes are speaking of healing from sin, not sickness per se. Just an interesting point of discussion.

[tv1a]

Interesting view since sickness and death came to earth as a result of sin.

Originally Posted by bishoph

While I do believe that we are healed because of his stripes both physically and spiritually...... both of the scriptures that speak of being healed by his stripes are speaking of healing from sin, not sickness per se. Just an interesting point of discussion.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by MarieA27

So believing, praying and trusting in God is equated with doing nothing and letting your child die? What an atheist thing to say....

I believe, pray and trust in God, but I also take the action of taking my children to the doctor.

I will do all that I can to protect any of my children, but if it is God's will that my child dies no doctor can prevent that from happening.

[renee819]

There is one scripture,

Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.

I have been to the Drs. Plenty of times, been prayed for even more. Some times God preformed a miracle, other times He didn't. Why? I don't know. I'm praying right now for a miracle for my son, with lung cancer, also a sister in the hospital.

I remember one time, I had been sick in bed for 3 days, also with a high fever. The 3rd day, God brought to my attention, “Call for the elders of the church.”

I called my Pastor, and while I was talking to him, he hadn't even prayed yet, my fever broke. I believe God healed me that time, because I was obedient.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by renee819

There is one scripture,


I have been to the Drs. Plenty of times, been prayed for even more. Some times God preformed a miracle, other times He didn't. Why? I don't know. I'm praying right now for a miracle for my son, with lung cancer, also a sister in the hospital.

I remember one time, I had been sick in bed for 3 days, also with a high fever. The 3rd day, God brought to my attention, “Call for the elders of the church.”

I called my Pastor, and while I was talking to him, he hadn't even prayed yet, my fever broke. I believe God healed me that time, because I was obedient.

Amen!