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Originally Posted by Ferd
Brother B, the solution is to recognize that Islam has a problem with Islam. And to insist on Islam working toward Modernity.
As it is, there is one big problem in the world today. Islamic fundimentalist terrorism. No matter how you slice it, that is the number one problem and these people, are now getting ahold of nuclear power. This will be a huge problem going forward.
I do not advocate violence in any way. Not as a Christian. Not as an American citizen. But at the same time, we do need to state quite clearly that there is one single religous group that has as a tenant of thier faith, codified in their holy writings the violent subjugation of all non-members. That group still remains Islam.
Period. As a Christian, I agree with you on what our goals and methods should be.
As an American, I do not believe we have any recourse to kick muslims out of America nor do I believe we need to go about killing people because of what they might do. However, as a person walking this planet, I am NOT going to stop telling this one single truth.
Islam has a violence problem that is codified in its holy writings.
Dr. Zudi Jasser (sp) a noted American Muslim agrees with me.
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As you and everyone who has ever posted on a religious forum knows that all religions have some sort of belief that their way is the right way. Each group has its own interpretation of their holy book, and how conversions are to be carried out. You my beloved brother understand this, and agrees with me that we need to stay vigilant to convert the world to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
If I understand you correctly you also brought up that militant Islam and moderate Islam which are at odds with each other, and therefore our problem (as far as terrorism goes isn't with the whole, but with those who are militant and have world domination in mind?)
So, with that being said we can agree, that those in any religion or group, who would resort to violence against any people to subjugate them, to do violence, and torture, would be condemnable, and therefore they would also come against the legal system of this country whether they were Muslim, Orthodox Jew, or Christians. Now, even if they were under Beth Din, Sharia, or a Eastern or Western Roman Church council, they are no threat to those who are outside of the afore mentioned religions. Therefore any propaganda which is used to insight fear (Muslim women using a swimming pool) should be reproved and pointed out to be nothing more than a political ploy to demonize a religion? Listen my dear brother, I'm sure not trying to convert anyone to Islam by no means, but I'm really not looking to be next on the menu. So, no matter what the religion or group may be, I want everyone to be treated in such a way to secure their freedoms, so my freedoms don't get taken away with the removal of their rights. Have you ever heard Robert Bolt's play a Man for all Seasons, a play about Sir Thomas Moore? In one scene of this play there is an issue about a spy who is trying to find dirt on Sir Thomas Moore, and Sir Thomas Moore lets the spy go, his family objects. then wants the individual arrested. the scene goes like this:
Alice More: Arrest him!
Sir Thomas More: Why, what has he done?
Margaret More: He's bad!
Sir Thomas More: There is no law against that.
William Roper: There is! God's law!
Sir Thomas More: Then God can arrest him.
Alice More: While you talk, he's gone!
Sir Thomas More: And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law!
William Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast– man's laws, not God's– and if you cut them down—and you're just the man to do it—do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.
My whole beef with this argument is some individuals (like Mr West) sound more like someone who wants to tare down rights of others just to stop the devil. Yet, from the words of Sir Thomas More to William Roper, in Robert Bolt's play, a Man For All Seasons puts my position pretty much in perspective.
So, where I'm coming from? I'm not looking to go buy a camel, and cover the heads of my wife and daughters with hajib. I'm just pleading that a little bit of balance season the diatribe on this issue. We are Apostolics we fan the fires of revival, not the fires hysteria.
Teach what you believe to be right, teach against false doctrine, practice your freedom of religious (or no religious) expression. Just let's not use propaganda to demonize broad brush an entire group.
Hey we already have Lois E. Gibson at Spiritual Abuse .com for that.
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