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[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The following verses indicate the SON OF DAVID, MESSIAH will reign forever:

Isaiah 9:6-7
2Sam 7:16
Psalm 89:35-37
Heb 1:8
2 Peter 1:11
Luke 1:32-33

These are just a sample of verses indicating quite clearly that Messiah will continue as King forever. They specifically reference THE SON being KING for EVER.

Now, which verses tell us that Jesus will in some way CEASE to reign? Or that the Son will cease to reign? Or that the Son"ship" will cease?

It would be awful to get to heaven and not see the glorified Man Jesus but only know there is an invisible God somewhere in our midst.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

It would be awful to get to heaven and not see the glorified Man Jesus but only know there is an invisible God somewhere in our midst.

EXACTLY.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

It would be awful to get to heaven and not see the glorified Man Jesus but only know there is an invisible God somewhere in our midst.

What does that have to do with the sonship ending. You all put God in a box. He can manifest himself and never cease to still be God everywhere else, invisible and visable. Not sure what this has to do with an end to the sonship.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

What does that have to do with the sonship ending. You all put God in a box. He can manifest himself and never cease to still be God everywhere else, invisible and visable. Not sure what this has to do with an end to the sonship.

*I'm* not seeing where anybody established what this "sonship" even is that keeps being talked about as if it were anything other than the state of being the Son, let alone if and when it ends and what would or would not be involved as a result of it ending?

So, like I said before, the Son reigns forever, as the Bible itself says. Therefore, there is no end to Him being Son, nor of His reign AS SON. (Which to me sounds like no end to the "sonship" Which makes perfect sense: if sonship ends, then He is no longer Son. But the Son abides forever, therefore the sonship is forever.)

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

What does that have to do with the sonship ending. You all put God in a box. He can manifest himself and never cease to still be God everywhere else, invisible and visable. Not sure what this has to do with an end to the sonship.

I think you should define terms. what is sonship? are you saying sonship is simply the fleshly manifestation of God born of a woman died and resurected and glorified sitting on the throne? Or are you saying sonship is the state of the man Christ Jesus as an obedient man to the Spirit of God?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

It would be awful to get to heaven and not see the glorified Man Jesus but only know there is an invisible God somewhere in our midst.

There will always be a image of the invisible God, as we see throughout the Old Testament, that will never cease. What was the purpose of the Sonship, and why was He begotten? Matthew 1:20-21 KJVS
"while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived i in her is of the Holy Ghost. [21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Did this not happen at His glorification? If so then this has been fulfilled. Agreed. Now why the law doesn't cease to exist it has been fulfilled, the same way as with the Son. Y'all being preincarnate Logos believers (not you Apostolic1ness) should understand this better then anyone.

There has been a fulfillment of the office of Sonship. That never means it ceases to exist. There is no more sacrifice to be made. In this God is all in all, and the sacrifice stands in Heaven before Him in the Tabernacle not made by hands, which is a mediation to satisfy His Holiness. While He lives in us to make intercession for us always, as the Holy Ghost.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

There will always be a image of the invisible God, as we see throughout the Old Testament, that will never cease. What was the purpose of the Sonship, and why was He begotten? Matthew 1:20-21 KJVS
"while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived i in her is of the Holy Ghost. [21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Did this not happen at His glorification? If so then this has been fulfilled. Agreed. Now why the law doesn't cease to exist it has been fulfilled, the same way as with the Son. Y'all being preincarnate Logos believers (not you Apostolic1ness) should understand this better then anyone.

There has been a fulfillment of the office of Sonship. That never means it ceases to exist. There is no more sacrifice to be made. In this God is all in all, and the sacrifice stands in Heaven before Him in the Tabernacle not made by hands, which is a mediation to satisfy His Holiness. While He lives in us to make intercession for us always, as the Holy Ghost.

I think there should be a clear definition of what some call sonship.
some say sonship ended at Jesus' glorification. some say sonship will never cease.
The Glorified Messiah Jesus sets as supreme God right now on the throne.
There is no more the need for Jesus to pray "not my will but thine be done" no more is there the temptation of the devil. No more is there the need to die for the sins of humanity. Yet His atonement for sin is still in effect his mediation between God and man is still in effect. These are the works of the Son of God and of course these things still are active. For those who say sonship is never ceasing they are saying that Son who died and was buried and was raised from the dead now His glorified Body is on the throne. They are not saying Jesus is still asking the will of the Father to be done or would even say that its the Father that dwelleth in me He doeth the work. He could only say those things in is human capacity. They are not saying the servanthood and obedience to the Father plays out in heaven because Jesus is the manifestation of the Father now on the throne.

I believe what is being said by those that believe the sonship has ended is that Jesus' servanthood and things that consisted of his humanity such as praying to the Father and Jesus drawing a clear distinction between the flesh man Jesus and the Spirit of God. Such as when he said why do you call me good there is only one good and thats God. These distinctions have ended in the sense that Jesus is no longer a mortal man. But we should be careful not to think of Jesus as (turning into an invisible spirit) at his glorification and ascension. He is still our messiah and presently the son of God.

1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus IS the Son of God?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

I think there should be a clear definition of what some call sonship.
some say sonship ended at Jesus' glorification. some say sonship will never cease.
The Glorified Messiah Jesus sets as supreme God right now on the throne.
There is no more the need for Jesus to pray "not my will but thine be done" no more is there the temptation of the devil. No more is there the need to die for the sins of humanity. Yet His atonement for sin is still in effect his mediation between God and man is still in effect. These are the works of the Son of God and of course these things still are active. For those who say sonship is never ceasing they are saying that Son who died and was buried and was raised from the dead now His glorified Body is on the throne. They are not saying Jesus is still asking the will of the Father to be done or would even say that its the Father that dwelleth in me He doeth the work. He could only say those things in is human capacity. They are not saying the servanthood and obedience to the Father plays out in heaven because Jesus is the manifestation of the Father now on the throne.

I believe what is being said by those that believe the sonship has ended is that Jesus' servanthood and things that consisted of his humanity such as praying to the Father and Jesus drawing a clear distinction between the flesh man Jesus and the Spirit of God. Such as when he said why do you call me good there is only one good and thats God. These distinctions have ended in the sense that Jesus is no longer a mortal man. But we should be careful not to think of Jesus as (turning into an invisible spirit) at his glorification and ascension. He is still our messiah and presently the son of God.

1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus IS the Son of God?

I agree besides bad verbage saying the Sonship has ended. I am saying it has been fulfilled. If we say it has ended it no longer holds any bearing and that's not what I'm implying at all. But I agree with the rest of your statement.

[Michael The Disciple]

We know for sure Jesus the man is still at the right hand of God.

Heb. 10:12-13

12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

We know we are waiting on the son of God to come down from Heaven for the Church.

1 Thess 1:9-10

9For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

There is a PERSON right now in Heaven, even Jesus who is the son of the true and living God.

[Apostolic1ness]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We know for sure Jesus the man is still at the right hand of God.

Heb. 10:12-13

12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

We know we are waiting on the son of God to come down from Heaven for the Church.

1 Thess 1:9-10

9For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

There is a PERSON right now in Heaven, even Jesus who is the son of the true and living God.