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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen
There will always be a image of the invisible God, as we see throughout the Old Testament, that will never cease. What was the purpose of the Sonship, and why was He begotten? Matthew 1:20-21 KJVS
"while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived i in her is of the Holy Ghost. [21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Did this not happen at His glorification? If so then this has been fulfilled. Agreed. Now why the law doesn't cease to exist it has been fulfilled, the same way as with the Son. Y'all being preincarnate Logos believers (not you Apostolic1ness) should understand this better then anyone.
There has been a fulfillment of the office of Sonship. That never means it ceases to exist. There is no more sacrifice to be made. In this God is all in all, and the sacrifice stands in Heaven before Him in the Tabernacle not made by hands, which is a mediation to satisfy His Holiness. While He lives in us to make intercession for us always, as the Holy Ghost. |
I think there should be a clear definition of what some call sonship.
some say sonship ended at Jesus' glorification. some say sonship will never cease.
The Glorified Messiah Jesus sets as supreme God right now on the throne.
There is no more the need for Jesus to pray "not my will but thine be done" no more is there the temptation of the devil. No more is there the need to die for the sins of humanity. Yet His atonement for sin is still in effect his mediation between God and man is still in effect. These are the works of the Son of God and of course these things still are active. For those who say sonship is never ceasing they are saying that Son who died and was buried and was raised from the dead now His glorified Body is on the throne. They are not saying Jesus is still asking the will of the Father to be done or would even say that its the Father that dwelleth in me He doeth the work. He could only say those things in is human capacity. They are not saying the servanthood and obedience to the Father plays out in heaven because Jesus is the manifestation of the Father now on the throne.
I believe what is being said by those that believe the sonship has ended is that Jesus' servanthood and things that consisted of his humanity such as praying to the Father and Jesus drawing a clear distinction between the flesh man Jesus and the Spirit of God. Such as when he said why do you call me good there is only one good and thats God. These distinctions have ended in the sense that Jesus is no longer a mortal man. But we should be careful not to think of Jesus as (turning into an invisible spirit) at his glorification and ascension. He is still our messiah and presently the son of God.
1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus
IS the Son of God?
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