All trinatarians are lost! - Page 5

hometown guy · #1 12-13-2013, 05:05 PM

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So, if a Trinitarian has been baptized/sealed by the Holy Ghost, why would God give his Spirit to someone who has not repented?

Paul said we are to have "repentance towards God, faith towards Jesus Christ." (Acts 20:21)

Your statement really does not make sense theologically.

What exactly is it you say they must repent of?

They must repent of their sin. I also know people that come to church that live in fornaction and God fills them with the Holy Ghost and they never forsake their sin. Are they sealed and saved? Of course not. I don't understand it totally either but one thing I know is that God hates the sin and the trinatarian doctrine

Originalist · #2 12-13-2013, 05:14 PM

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They must repent of their sin. I also know people that come to church that live in fornaction and God fills them with the Holy Ghost and they never forsake their sin. Are they sealed and saved? Of course not. I don't understand it totally either but one thing I know is that God hates the sin and the trinatarian doctrine

You are comparing apples and oranges. I'm referring to people who DO forsake their sins and start yielding to the Spirit who has come to make his abode in them.

When God fills someone with the Holy Ghost, he is claiming them as his own. He is declaring that they have repented. If someone babbles in tongues and goes right back into fornication, they did not receive the Spirit IMO. They just babbled noise.

As for God "hating the Trinity doctrine". I really don't think God even bothers to "hate" it. I think God is a big boy and can handle someone offering an inadequate explanation of his distinctions. Furthermore, which version of the doctrine of the Trinity are you referring to? Many Trinitarians' version of the "trinity" is identical to the Oneness doctrine.

hometown guy · #3 12-13-2013, 06:11 PM

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You are comparing apples and oranges. I'm referring to people who DO forsake their sins and start yielding to the Spirit who has come to make his abode in them.

When God fills someone with the Holy Ghost, he is claiming them as his own. He is declaring that they have repented. If someone babbles in tongues and goes right back into fornication, they did not receive the Spirit IMO. They just babbled noise.

As for God "hating the Trinity doctrine". I really don't think God even bothers to "hate" it. I think God is a big boy and can handle someone offering an inadequate explanation of his distinctions. Furthermore, which version of the doctrine of the Trinity are you referring to? Many Trinitarians' version of the "trinity" is identical to the Oneness doctrine.

That's hogwash... It's not apples and oranges but rather apples to apples. Sin is sin. Idolatry is idolatry. It's black and white. I can say the same thing as you as in if someone babbles something in tongues and goes right back to false doctrine.
And as far as what version of Trinitarians I am referring too, all of them. They are not describing Jesus as the Father then they will die in their sins.

houston · #4 12-13-2013, 07:27 PM

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And as far as what version of Trinitarians I am referring too, all of them. They are not describing Jesus as the Father then they will die in their sins.

scripture?

Originalist · #5 12-13-2013, 07:38 PM

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That's hogwash... It's not apples and oranges but rather apples to apples. Sin is sin. Idolatry is idolatry. It's black and white. I can say the same thing as you as in if someone babbles something in tongues and goes right back to false doctrine.
And as far as what version of Trinitarians I am referring too, all of them. They are not describing Jesus as the Father then they will die in their sins.

A new convert, either in a Oneness or Trinity church, has not had enough time to establish a view of the Godhead. So it is preposterous to say they "go back into their sin of idolatry". Furthermore, if God was so concerned with what the doctrinal statement says of the church they happen to be physically in, he would not bother to fill them with his Spirit. If God has considered me to be in idolatry because I was attending a Trinitarian church, then he would not have filled me with His Spirit.

You need to stop your idolatry of worshiping Apostolic "truth" and start worshiping the God of the truth. You are in the flesh on this and are not hearing from God. Your identity is not in Jesus, but in the Oneness Pentecostal movement. That's idolatry.

Abiding Now · #6 12-13-2013, 04:51 PM

Trinitarians worship a different Jesus. Their Jesus is God the Son, mine is the Son of God.

Praxeas · #7 12-13-2013, 04:55 PM

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Trinitarians worship a different Jesus. Their Jesus is God the Son, mine is the Son of God.

And for the record, most Trinitarians I encounter on internet forums say the same

Originalist · #8 12-13-2013, 05:01 PM

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Trinitarians worship a different Jesus. Their Jesus is God the Son, mine is the Son of God.

It's not a "different Jesus" they worship. They simply have an explanation of the same Jesus we worship that is very inadequate.

I received the Holy Ghost in a Trinitarian church. Please answer, how could a "different Jesus" have to power to give anyone the Holy Ghost?

Abiding Now · #9 12-13-2013, 05:09 PM

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It's not a "different Jesus" they worship. They simply have an explanation of the same Jesus we worship that is very inadequate.

I received the Holy Ghost in a Trinitarian church. Please answer, how could a "different Jesus" have to power to give anyone the Holy Ghost?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives the Holy Ghost to those that obey him and the Holy Ghost is to lead a person "into all truth".

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

hometown guy · #10 12-13-2013, 05:13 PM

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Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives the Holy Ghost to those that obey him and the Holy Ghost is to lead a person "into all truth".

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.