All trinatarians are lost!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The scripture that is taken out of context is found in John 8. Jesus starts out talking about the His relationship to the Father. What Jesus is saying is a person who doesn't believe God sent Jesus to save the world from sin is as lost as two boys kissing.

The I AM mentioned in Exodus 3:14 does not have the same meaning as the I am he statement in John.

Hope that answers your question.

However, I think it IS safe to say that when Jesus said "before Abraham was, I AM" , that he was referring to his deity.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Lol.. That's funny. Did u come up with that on your own?

Yes, need to get it copy righted.

[tv1a]

If that was the case, the I am would have been capitalized. In the Old Testament the statement referring to deity was capitalized as I AM. The passage in John doesn't capitalize the am thus not referring to a proper name. The grammar rules show different applications thus it is not reasonable to assume Jesus was claiming to be God in that passage.

Originally Posted by Originalist

However, I think it IS safe to say that when Jesus said "before Abraham was, I AM" , that he was referring to his deity.

[crakjak]

Isaiah even says that the Egyptians will be saved....who shall God lose of his creation???? Sodom and her sisters will be restored according to Ezekiel, all Israel will be saved according to Paul.... It is foolish to declare folks lost...as in eternal punishment and banishment from God. God is the creator, it is His world, man is his highest masterpiece, will He fail in His complete redemption of the creation??? Man is arrogant and ignorant.

I Tim. 4:10, declares Jesus the Savior of ALL men, especially those that believe.... that means there are some that will be saved that haven't yet believed....so to declare someone lost that doesn't believe like you do, is arrogant and ignorant.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by tv1a

If that was the case, the I am would have been capitalized. In the Old Testament the statement referring to deity was capitalized as I AM. The passage in John doesn't capitalize the am thus not referring to a proper name. The grammar rules show different applications thus it is not reasonable to assume Jesus was claiming to be God in that passage.

Are you Unitarian?

[houston]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The scripture that is taken out of context is found in John 8. Jesus starts out talking about the His relationship to the Father. What Jesus is saying is a person who doesn't believe God sent Jesus to save the world from sin is as lost as two boys kissing. The I AM mentioned in Exodus 3:14 does not have the same meaning as the I am he statement in John. Hope that answers your question.

I know that. I was hoping he would answer. They make verse 27 point to verse 24 when it is pointing to verse 26.

[houston]

Originally Posted by tv1a

If that was the case, the I am would have been capitalized. In the Old Testament the statement referring to deity was capitalized as I AM. The passage in John doesn't capitalize the am thus not referring to a proper name. The grammar rules show different applications thus it is not reasonable to assume Jesus was claiming to be God in that passage.

what was He saying? Would anything else make sense to the audience?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I hope you excuse yourself from the discussion. Most ridiculous statement I've read. Trinitarians believe Jesus is God manifested in flesh.

You should be embarrassed with your contradicting statement.

Me embarrassed? Naw. Trinnies do believe God was manifest in the flesh, they just don't believe the Father was manifest in the flesh, but the second person of the trinity.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Isaiah even says that the Egyptians will be saved....who shall God lose of his creation???? Sodom and her sisters will be restored according to Ezekiel, all Israel will be saved according to Paul.... It is foolish to declare folks lost...as in eternal punishment and banishment from God. God is the creator, it is His world, man is his highest masterpiece, will He fail in His complete redemption of the creation??? Man is arrogant and ignorant.

I Tim. 4:10, declares Jesus the Savior of ALL men, especially those that believe.... that means there are some that will be saved that haven't yet believed....so to declare someone lost that doesn't believe like you do, is arrogant and ignorant.

You probably believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Obamacare.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

You probably believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and Obamacare.

Bwahahahaha