The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by houston

No man has seen God. Next

"And they saw the God of Israel and did eat and drink".

[Praxeas]

Shekinah/Theophany

NET bible commentary has two interesting notes on that verse

27 tn Driver wishes to safeguard the traditional idea that God could not be seen by reading "they saw the place where the God of Israel stood" (p. 254) so as not to say they saw God. But according to Cassuto there is not a great deal of difference between "and they saw the God" and "the Lord God appeared" (p. 314). Cassuto thinks that the word "God" is used instead of "Yahweh" to say that a divine phenomenon was seen. It is in the LXX that they add "the place where he stood." In verse 11 Exo_24:11 (i.e., Exodus 24:11b) the LXX has "and they appeared in the place of God." See James Barr, "Theophany and Anthropomorphism in the Old Testament," VTSup 7 (1959): 31-33. There is no detailed description here of what they saw, anymore than what Isaiah (6) saw, or Ezekiel (l) saw. But the NT in John 12 indicates that this may have been a preincarnate appearance of the second person.

28 sn Driver suggests that they saw the divine Glory, not directly, but as they looked up from below, through what appeared to be a transparent blue sapphire pavement (p. 254).

[houston]

Originally Posted by Originalist

"And they saw the God of Israel and did eat and drink".

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

If you want to PM me that's fine, but what happened? Did something happen at Apopka? They always seemed to be a more open minded church as it concerned Trinitarians.

Furthermore, the OP movement was well under way before that man's supposed revelation. It is unfair to claim the movement is built on that.

Just trying to see where you are coming from.

That's not how I understood it.

That man's dream was the start of the new issue.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

That's not how I understood it.

That man's dream was the start of the new issue.

Please provide more than innuendo and vague references.

What man? What dream? When and where? Please provide some sort of documentation and not just your personal assertions.

You can claim a rabbit came out of your rear end and prophesied Rabbitopia was near but it means nothing without out corroborating evidence

Help us man! Please give us something other than your say so.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by houston

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time...

This is the same Greek word used in John 1:18....

No man hath seen God at any time

Greek word..."horaō"


to see with the eyes

to see with the mind, to perceive, know

to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience


We need only look at the rest of John 1:18 to see in which context John meant when using the word "seen' in relation to God...

the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

"Declared"....

Greek word...."exēgeomai"


etaph., to draw out in narrative, unfold a teaching

to recount, rehearse

to unfold, declare

the things relating to God

used in Greek writing of the interpretation of things sacred and divine, oracles, dreams, etc.

The use of the word "declared" by John in relation to Christ having "declared" the God who had never been "seen" demonstrates that he was not referring to a physical viewing with natural eyes but of a perception and correct understanding of. That is the only context that makes sense here. Jesus showed us what God was really like. In Christ we "saw" God like we had never "seen" him before.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

That's not how I understood it.

That man's dream was the start of the new issue.

A common misconception. I take it you are now bombarding your mind with writings by our detractors.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Originalist

A common misconception. I take it you are now bombarding your mind with writings by our detractors.

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[houston]

JD is not recalling it right. No one had a dream...

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

That's not how I understood it.

That man's dream was the start of the new issue.

Jeremy,

These so called Apologetics sites are so ridiculous. They are probably talking about John Sheppe in 1913. Nothing was ever said in his testimony about a dream. Just that the Lord showed him. After that there is nothing about him written by Pentecostal authors.

Among that group of Assembly Of God ministers he may have been the first to get the revelation but it is SO far removed from the truth to say as Apologetics false teachers are doing that he was the first to invent this as a new revelation.

Apparently you never did your homework when you came into Oneness. But so very few take the time to do it. Im sorry you have either lost the revelation or maybe never even had it.