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12-20-2013, 07:45 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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Seriously? You don't get out much. New Life in Tampa has tripled in the last 10 years. They ran about 500 when we were there in 2003 and now have close to 1500. Almost all new converts. That is not even counting the church plants they have started in that time, either.
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But do they toe the standards line?
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12-20-2013, 08:28 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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Seriously? You don't get out much. New Life in Tampa has tripled in the last 10 years. They ran about 500 when we were there in 2003 and now have close to 1500. Almost all new converts. That is not even counting the church plants they have started in that time, either.
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Because we all know churches must not have standards if they're growing. Standard-preaching churches never grow!
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12-20-2013, 08:33 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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Because we all know churches must not have standards if they're growing. Standard-preaching churches never grow!
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I believe that the only thing more worldly than Hollywood is religious legalism. Interestingly, those churches who drop the "standards" (as the UPCI defines them) have opportunity to grow in true holiness and Christlikeness.
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12-20-2013, 08:35 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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Because we all know churches must not have standards if they're growing. Standard-preaching churches never grow!
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I know churches that do not preach standards and have never grown...I know churches that preach standards that are growing and visa versa....
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12-20-2013, 08:47 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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I know churches that do not preach standards and have never grown...I know churches that preach standards that are growing and visa versa....
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This is true. I know recently of one church that left the UPC and dropped dress standards. They experienced a big "revival" of people coming in for a few months, then it dwindled down to less than they had before they left the UPC.
Dress standards have little impact on church growth.
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12-20-2013, 09:11 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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Originally Posted by aegsm76
Seriously? You don't get out much. New Life in Tampa has tripled in the last 10 years. They ran about 500 when we were there in 2003 and now have close to 1500. Almost all new converts. That is not even counting the church plants they have started in that time, either.
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When we were in Home Missions in a metro area, one year I looked at the statistics for Easter services. Some churches grew a lot and many shrunk. In all, there was one more person in the whole area attending than the year before.
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12-20-2013, 09:23 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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When we were in Home Missions in a metro area, one year I looked at the statistics for Easter services. Some churches grew a lot and many shrunk. In all, there was one more person in the whole area attending than the year before.
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One phrase comes to mind.... Church hoppers! 
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12-20-2013, 09:24 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
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One phrase comes to mind.... Church hoppers! |
Yep! So much for "revival" is what I thought.
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12-20-2013, 09:27 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
BTW, in case it's lost here...church attendance and growth is down as a whole, across all denominations in the US. Even the simple belief in God is at an all-time low in the US right now as well. Those quick to point out the UPC's alleged lack of growth should remember this.
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12-20-2013, 09:33 AM
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Re: Did you mourn leaving the UPC?
I wonder if there's been any kind of study on home groups, home meetings, or home fellowships... to see how fast they're growing? It seems a lot of people are leaving mainstream churches seeking home-based fellowships.
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