Are Jehovahs Witnesses Saved?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

Interesting. They are who decided what your bible would look like, more or less, with revisions through the years.



You are therefore a true believer. Doesn't much matter that no one named "Matthew" actually wrote the gospel of Matthew, but matters only that someone said this is what Matthew said, and all that about 90 or 100 years after Jesus. Enjoy your belief.

Been thinking about your post and wanted to add a little something. You mentioned my "belief" and I wanted to say that it SEEMS to me that you must have a really good belief system yourself, because you evidently read somewhere in a book or on line that Matthew wasn't the writer of the book of Matthew in the Bible and you believed the author of that article/book. Now I admit that I never met Matthew to ask him about his writings, but then I doubt that you have met the author of the book/article that convinced you that Matthew didn't write the book of Matthew. So I choose to believe in the Bible and you choose to believe in the writings of other men.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Thank you, appreciate the response and I certainly do not see your answer as being rude, though I don't totally agree. As you know hell (hades) some times translate to the grave and sometimes "a place of departed souls, and a place of torment, remember the rich man in Luke 16 being in "torment (verse 23). Either way, the grave, as you pointed out or "place of departed souls" (hell) does not prevail against the church.

Strong's

hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

However Hades is translated still proves my point. Hell, the grave, the place of departed souls nor the place of torment can prevail against us. We are victorious through Christ.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

However Hades is translated still proves my point. Hell, the grave, the place of departed souls nor the place of torment can prevail against us. We are victorious through Christ.

Seems like that's what I been saying and BTW I was agreeing with you.

[Praxeas]

B. Who Wrote Matthew?

Scholars frequently assert that the four gospels are anonymous, that is, the authors do not identify themselves by name. That claim is technically correct if the standard of comparison is, say, Paul’s letter to the Romans, where the opening lines clearly state both the author and the initial readers. The gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John never explicitly say who wrote them. Nevertheless, we have no evidence that these gospels ever circulated without titles like “according to Matthew.” The titles were likely part of the works from the beginning, and the expression “according to” introduces the person understood to be the author. The one gospel circulated in four distinct forms: “according to Matthew,” “according to Mark,” “according to Luke,” and “according to John.”
The author of Matthew was likely the apostle, “Matthew the tax collector” (10:3). At one level very little hangs on the question of the authorship of this gospel. Neither its meaning nor its authority is greatly changed if one decides that its author was not an apostle.


Carson, D. A., & Moo, D. J. (2010). Introducing the New Testament: A Short Guide to Its History and Message (24). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

B. Who Wrote Matthew?

Scholars frequently assert that the four gospels are anonymous, that is, the authors do not identify themselves by name. That claim is technically correct if the standard of comparison is, say, Paul’s letter to the Romans, where the opening lines clearly state both the author and the initial readers. The gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John never explicitly say who wrote them. Nevertheless, we have no evidence that these gospels ever circulated without titles like “according to Matthew.” The titles were likely part of the works from the beginning, and the expression “according to” introduces the person understood to be the author. The one gospel circulated in four distinct forms: “according to Matthew,” “according to Mark,” “according to Luke,” and “according to John.”
The author of Matthew was likely the apostle, “Matthew the tax collector” (10:3). At one level very little hangs on the question of the authorship of this gospel. Neither its meaning nor its authority is greatly changed if one decides that its author was not an apostle.


Carson, D. A., & Moo, D. J. (2010). Introducing the New Testament: A Short Guide to Its History and Message (24). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

Thank you.