End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

As can be expected from RDP, no specific answer, just lots more "smoke in mirrors" to quote him.

Okay - just a few minutes here - then I doubt I'll be able to be back on for a while (traveling) - but will try (really don't even take the arguments put forth on here seriously any way).


As to be expected from KeptByMyTradition - more mere pontificating. But, here let's try it again (for the third time now) - read slowly this time.....'Kay ?


If a prophesy is given in church by a woman, how can she also be silent? That is an oxymoron, and yet, we see Paul teaching about women prophesying, and women to be in silence. How can this be? If a woman is prophesying, she is speaking, and is not being silent.


Here, let me help ya' out: The Greek verb translated "prophesying" in I Cor. 11.5 (προφητεύουσα) is lexically defined as "to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or in praise of the divine counsels; with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining especially to the kingdom of God; to prophesy, i. e. to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspiration; to predict" (Dr. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon; http://biblehub.com/greek/4395.htm). Here is the actual lexical data on the passage: http://biblehub.com/lexicon/1_corinthians/11-5.htm


Hmmm, nothing about "preaching a sermon" in this lexical definition now is there ? And, you've been told this over & over & over & over. Your response? "You're not answering my question" ?? Ummm, okay, are you a Trinitarian by chance - you sure use the same argumentation they do !


You didn't answer, RDP. .... too busy flashing your smoke and mirror trick to directly answer this question?

- Hmmm, let's see, what was that passage that has never (nor ever will) be adequately explained by a "woman-preacher" (talk about an "oxymoron" phrase ):

New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

International Standard Version
Moreover, in the area of teaching, I am not allowing a woman to instigate conflict toward a man. Instead, she is to remain calm.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American King James Version
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.




Put your erasers down - it'll still be there when you're finished tampering with it ("making the Word of God of no effect through your tradition"). Oh wait - what was that other passage that "clearly shows" that God supposedly "ordains" women into the NT 5-fold ministry? Hmm, where was that - Oh, wait, I found it:




New International Version
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

New Living Translation
Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.

English Standard Version
the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.

New American Standard Bible
The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

King James Bible
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says.

International Standard Version
the women must keep silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak out, but must place themselves in submission, as the oral law also says.

NET Bible
the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak. Rather, let them be in submission, as in fact the law says.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but to be in subjection, just as The Written Law also says.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
the women must keep silent. They don't have the right to speak. They must take their place as Moses' Teachings say.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Let your women keep silence in the congregations {Gr. ekklesia � called out ones}, for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be in subjection, as also saith the law.

King James 2000 Bible
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be submissive, as also says the law.

American King James Version
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted to them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also said the law.

American Standard Version
let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith.

Darby Bible Translation
Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not permitted to them to speak; but to be in subjection, as the law also says.

English Revised Version
Let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

Webster's Bible Translation
Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak: but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.




Below is the exhaustive list of women who "preached" in the Bible (either OT or NT) to any congregation from the Scriptures:


















Who could ever forget ol' Sister:____________?


















Then there was "Prophetess":________________?




















Or, how about ol' powerful "preacher-Sister":_____________?

[rdp]

"Women preachers" in the church-house (not talking about outreaching or witnessing to the lost via Mt. 28.19 - but rather in I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14 context) are in direct rebellion to the Word of God - despite how many copy-paste jobs they may put out (virtually alllll of which have already been categorically demonstrated to be false any way - *Sigh*).


Personally, we cannot conscientiously fellowship any one so stubborn & defiant in the face of such crystal clear Scripture.


Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.



"Women-preachers" are simply doing what they want to do despite what the Bible plainly-expressly forbids - which is humanism. Better to obey than.....May God have mercy on them in eternity - sincerely.


For those (extremely few) truly interested in biblical-exegetical truth on this matter - I would highly suggest the following exegetical-syntactical books, which absolutely demolishes (from the textual-grammatical data) the typical "points" about Romans 16, Deborah, Huldah, Prophecy & arguments I had never even heard of: http://www.amazon.com/Women-Church-A.../dp/080102904X & http://www.amazon.com/Recovering-Bib.../dp/1433537125


These books put every-single "woman-preacher" argument in the coffin & it's done from the original languages of the Bible with exceedingly in-depth exegesis & syntactical facts to back it up.


Okay gals - been fun - & just what I anticipated from AFF.

Shalom !

[Sister Alvear]

If we must always dwell on the disobedience of one woman, and blame her for the fall, then should we not equally dwell on the fact that it was the obedience of one woman that brought redemption to humanity? 


Spiritually we are all restored but even so reconciliation does not alter the natural aspects of Edenic curses. If we deny the full spiritual rights to women, we are tampering with the basic tenets of redemption. In a woman’s full spiritual rights there are limits just as a man also has limits. For the head of woman is the man and the head of man is Christ. Just because a man is masculine that does not mean he can be what Christ is. He must fulfill his duty as a man and the same rule applies to women and there are some things that God has reserved for men. We all know that in the natural, the earth produces weeds and women labor in childbirth, even though the believer is baptized with the Holy Ghost. Redemption is a spiritual reconciliation. If redemption is not what we say it is, then both men and women are in horrible bondage. But thanks be to God; whom the Son hath set free is free indeed.
Gal. tells us we are all one in Christ Jesus... There is no scripture that forbits a woman to preach. There are scriptures that teach order in the home and the church. There are hundreds of scriptures that teach both men and women to speak in the church...

[Sister Alvear]

While the church leaders agree all must hear and obey to be saved, the clergy fuss about who tells the story. What difference does it make which gender pulls a burning person from the flame? Or what difference does it make that a man or woman, male or female, saves the drowning persons from a torrid river? Did the horrified soldiers care who answered the call that icy March afternoon in 1869 when Ida Lewis responded with haste to rescue the crying voices from the choppy waves at Lime Rock Lighthouse in Newport. One of the drowning men lost hope when he saw that it was a woman who came rowing out to save them. However, he was soon to change his mind after the job was successfully accomplished. She had fierce strength that wasn’t hers alone. Later, a newspaper recorded that she said that the Lord Almighty gave it to her when she needed it the most. (Women of the Lights, Candice Fleming, Albert Whitman & Co., Morton Grove, IL, 1996, 21.) Women can save lives just as men can.

[Sister Alvear]

However we had been through this before and I don't have lots of time to spend here and will only do spend what time I can not because of rdp but because of women like Sister AO Holmes, Sister Rita Dawson, Sister Nona Freeman, and many other ladies that gave their all to Christ jesus...I still remember listening all my life to Sister Mary Williams and other mothers in Israel.

[Sister Alvear]

In the Old Testament, women participated in the study and teaching of the law (Nehemiah 8:2; Proverbs 1:8; Deuteronomy 13:6-11), in offering prayers and vows to God (1 Samuel 1:10; Numbers 30:9; Genesis 25:22; 30:6, 22; 2 Kings 4:9, 10, 20-37), in ministering "at the entrance to the tent of meeting" (1 Samuel 2:22), in singing at the worship of the Temple service (Ezra 2:65), and in engaging in the prophetic ministry of exhortation and guidance (Exodus 15:20; 2 Kings 22:14-20; 2 Chronicles 34:22-28; Judges 4:4-14). Of this latter group, especially prominent are Deborah, "a prophetess . . . [who] was judging [NIV, "leading"] Israel at that time" (Judges 4:4), and Huldah, the prophetess to whom Josiah the king and Hilkiah the high priest looked for spiritual guidance (2 Kings 22).

[Sister Alvear]

For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam. Micah 6:4

[Sister Alvear]

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.

[Sister Alvear]

Miriam was a prophet. The Hebrew word used here for “prophetess” is ‘nebiah.’ Nebiah is the feminine of ‘nabi’ which means: “a spokesman, speaker, prophet. Nebiah is used six (6) times in the Old Testament as prophetess.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO CALL A WOMAN A PREACHER...THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS...I once went to a church (with Brother Alvear and the preacher must have felt he had to call me to say something (I have never had the itch to say somethimg so no one has to feel they heve to call me to say anything) However the preacher got up and said these words, " Well I don't believe in women preachers but we want to ask Sister Alvear to come up here and prophecy." He went and sat down. I just walked up there and told a missionary story like I do about every where.
When all the time he was having an affair with the piano player...and it was not long until he destroyed himself.
If we do not understand God's call on someone it would be best to be careful what we say lest we touch God's anointed. I am not speaking about me but in general terms and that includes both men and women.

[Sister Alvear]

The Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament says the word prophesy means:

proclaim God’s message, preach; prophesy, predict… An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Lexicon says prophesy means: in N.T. to expound scripture, to speak and preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon writes this about the word prophesy:to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation. To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels. Like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others.

1Cor. 14:3 ...One who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.
Edification — the building up of people. Exhortation — strongly encouraging them to love, good works, and holiness. Consolation — a reassurance from God.
Prophecy can manifest by a statement of the future, but more often it is simply Scripture spoken as inspired by the Holy Spirit, directed at a person or group of people that God is desiring to reach with edification, exhortation, or consolation.
The gift of prophecy should be desired above every other gift. Remember that the gifts include the effecting of miracles, gifts of healings, and speaking in tongues. Paul says that we should especially desire prophecy above these others.
This is because the church benefits from, and is edified by, prophecy above every other gift. How could the church be more blessed than by hearing the spoken Word of God? Remember that,
Rom. 10:17 ...Faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
So the church is built up in faith by the gift of prophecy along of coure with many other things.
If you're going to desire a gift, desire the gift of prophecy above all the others.