End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11 - Page 19

rdp · #**181** 01-20-2014, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

So a woman can prophecy but cannot give a sermon...well that is the most inconsistent thing I have ever heard of in my life...A sermon is supposed to be something God's gives and prophecy is something God gives...both are spoken in the church...I can teach men a song but cannot teach a scripture that tells them how to be saved? Many of our songs are scriptures and chapters of the Bible...
I can tell a man how to be saved under a shade tree but cannot tell him how to be saved behind a pulpit...I can go to the leper colony and sit beside the footless and handless and tell them the story of Jesus but if I decide to roll them into a room and talk to them all at one time I cannot do it....lol...

Speaking of "inconsistent," y'all expect me to sit here all day & night & respond to your copy-paste jobs (umm, which I've already done BTW) - all the while y'all completely ignore I Timothy 2.11-3.15 - but here, since we're copying & pasting, let's try it again:

"Gune and aner are words which mean 'adult female' and 'adult male' in their unmarked meanings. Only if there are sufficient contextual clues that husband and wife are in view do the words mean 'wife' and 'husband.' The definite article or 'idios' (one's own) or a possessive pronoun is required to show that husband and wife are in the text. None of these things occur in 1 Tim 2. The article occurs in 1 Cor 11, but only because it is syntactically required by the construction. Both passages are clearly talking about the Christian community in worship, which would of course involve single adults and married couples. Take a look at other passages that are clearly speaking about husband and wife--e.g., Eph 5, 1 Peter 3--and you'll see that they use these signals to note that husband and wife are in view."

Foremost Greek Linguist & Papyrologist, Dr. Daniel Wallace in personal email.

Sorry Sister, respectfully, you can ignore this all you wish, but the Bible clearly militates against "women preachers" in the church & you, nor any one else, will ever produce a Scripture demonstrating where a women expounds from the Scriptures to a congregation in either the OT or NT.

rdp · #**182** 01-20-2014, 06:15 PM

Since we're being told that I Timothy 2 is discussing the home life - guess women should start dressing "in modest apparel" (2.9) when they shower

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And, only single women can "preach" since this is describing a supposed "wife not instructing her husband"

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Guess the gender roles automatically flop once church begins

?? Strange that Paul used the home-order as the reflection of the church-order: "(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?)"

Sorry, that dodge won't work either

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Sister Alvear · #**183** 01-20-2014, 08:09 PM

My Bible says these exact words:Não permito, porém, que a mulher ensine, nem use de autoridade sobre o marido, mas que esteja em silêncio.
1 Timóteo 2:12
Translation..I do not permit a women to teach or use authority over her husband but to be in silence....

Sister Alvear · #**184** 01-20-2014, 08:10 PM

oh..Forgot to say that is Portuguese...the Bible we all use here in Brazil.

Sister Alvear · #**185** 01-20-2014, 08:14 PM

and I do agree with you some Bibles say the man...but it is logical that the Bible teaches we are all i subjection to one another also...no Godly woman would even think about trying to be over her husband...I work along beside my husband...I would never think of being over him...that is foolish to think a Godly woman would want to rule her husband.

Sister Alvear · #**186** 01-20-2014, 08:18 PM

1 Tim. 2:11. It does not say women but a woman, and better still, a wife. The word in Greek is gune (1135), which indicates either a woman generically speaking or a wife, depending on the context. In this instance, since it stands in apposition to the word andros (the genitive singular of aner here meaning only “husband” and not “man” generically, 435), it must be translated as “a wife.”

Sister Alvear · #**187** 01-20-2014, 08:29 PM

1 Timothy 2:12, in which Paul states "I do not suffer (permit) a woman to teach, or usurp authority over a man." In interpreting this verse, it is important to remember that the Greek words for "man" and "husband," as well as the words for "woman" and "wife," are the same. In the very next verse, Paul refers back to Adam being formed first, then Eve.

Sister Alvear · #**188** 01-20-2014, 08:29 PM

From all indications, this passage is, by context, referring to the marriage relationship, not the church. Paul is not saying that men cannot learn from women. Rather, he is simply stating that women are not to be manipulative or domineering over their husbands. There is a big difference.

Sister Alvear · #**189** 01-20-2014, 08:31 PM

This is not dealing with "church" authority but authority in the "home." The context proves it. Paul uses Adam and Eve as the example of authority. What relationship did Adam and Eve have? They were husband and wife, not pastor and sheep. Since there is no Greek word for husband and wife, the word "man" and "woman" is also translated "husband" and "wife", and based on the context these words should have been translated as such.

I Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived in the transgression. Now we read what the above scripture says, but what does it really say? When we look up the word woman in the Strong's Concordance we find that this use of "women" is Strong's number 1135, The definition of this use of woman is "wife.”

Sister Alvear · #**190** 01-20-2014, 08:31 PM

" When we look up the word "man" we find that it is Strong's number 435, this use of man means "husband. "Now if we insert the correct use of the word woman and man the passage now reads as follows: "Let the wife learn in silence with all subjection, But I suffer not a wife to teach, nor to usurp authority over the husband, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the wife being deceived in the transgression. "We must be careful to make sure the translation that we read is what is really being said.