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01-22-2014, 02:43 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
“Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” is a command, Christ’s command. Christ gave that command to all believers, not only to the Apostles. All those Apostles have died but believers are still alive to obey Christ’s commands.
1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”
2nd Corinthians 5:10-11, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men...”
The command is to "Preach the gospel." The verb "preach" means to herald the message. It is the same word found in 2 Timothy 4:2--"Preach the Word."
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01-22-2014, 02:44 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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they....went everywhere and preached...
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"8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
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01-22-2014, 02:46 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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they....went everywhere and preached...
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"8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
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But the text specifically states that the women were in prison - unless we have another "jail-break" on our hands .
You're somehow (?) assuming this validates women to teach men from the Scriptures in the NT church ?
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01-22-2014, 02:50 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
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“Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature” is a command, Christ’s command. Christ gave that command to all believers, not only to the Apostles. All those Apostles have died but believers are still alive to obey Christ’s commands.
1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”
2nd Corinthians 5:10-11, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men...”
The command is to "Preach the gospel." The verb "preach" means to herald the message. It is the same word found in 2 Timothy 4:2--"Preach the Word."
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Of course men & women should win the lost, but how on earth does that nullify Paul's instructions to the NT church regarding women instructing men in the Bible or in church leadership ?
You're still meshing-intermingling contexts, all the while ignoring the plainness of I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14 (shall I post more of my emails from Greek linguists?).
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01-22-2014, 03:19 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
I have many e mails too....lol...
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01-22-2014, 03:19 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Rom 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a (servant = S#1249 an attendant, a waiter...a... TEACHER AND PASTOR techn. a deacon or DEACONESS) of the church which is at Cenchrea: 2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a (SUCCOURER = S#4368) of many, and of myself also."Do you notice that word "succourer" there? Let's look a little closer at it's definition...Succourer- Strong's reference number: 4368
Greek: prostatis
Derivation: Derived from 4291 (see below)
Definition: a patroness, i.e. assistantStrong's reference number: 4291
Greek: proistemi
Derivation: Derived from 4253 2476 (see below)
Definition: to stand before, i.e. (in rank) **TO PRESIDE**, or (by impl.) to practiseStrong's reference number: 4253
Greek: pro
Derivation: A primary word.
Definition: "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (fig. SUPERIOR) TO
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01-22-2014, 03:20 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Can any man with a negative attitude toward women in the ministry ever hope to obey Paul's admonishment to "assist HER in **WHATSOEVER** SHE HATH NEED OF YOU"?
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01-22-2014, 03:21 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
The odd thing about diakonos being used to describe Phoebe is that it is the masculine form used to describe a woman. Most versions translate it as “servant,” whereas, when it used of men it is translated as “deacon.” Although one of the meanings of diakonos can be serving another’s physical needs for food and shelter, that it is paired with “of the church of Cenchreae” makes it unlikely this is the meaning Paul is using here.
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01-22-2014, 03:24 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
This is the only occurrence of the word in the New Testament (Grenz, 89). It is also another word that is translated in such a way that its main meaning is not obvious in the translation. The normal translation is “helper” or someone who has helped. The basic and most obvious translation of the word is patron or benefactor, and women in this role, are well attested in the Roman world (Dunn, 888). Phoebe was likely another wealthy woman who served the church out of her means as the women in Luke 8 served Jesus out of theirs.Spencer has also suggested that porstatis could be derived from the root verb proistemi, which means to “to stand, place before or over,” or “to help by ruling” The times the verb appears in the New Testament it has the meaning of ruling or governing ( Romans 12:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13), and in the Pastoral Epistles both bishops and deacons were to govern their households well. In other Greek sources, such as Josephus, the masculine form of prostatis is used to describe rulers and leaders like Moses, Herod, and Agrippa (Spencer 116). This word could mean that Phoebe was a ruler or another overseer in the church.
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01-22-2014, 03:29 PM
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Re: End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11
Languages such as latin that use what is called verb framing often tells us who the sentence is talking about...
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