End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[n david]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

It wasn't an insult, I was acknowledging a fellow Pharisee. The apostle Paul did so, calling the Pharisees who sat on councils to question and judge him "men and brethren". I just stated it in today's English.

Terrible comparison. Doesn't come close to comparing to how you used it, especially considering what else you wrote. I imagine the comment about "keep on enslaving" was just to encourage, right?

[KeptByTheWord]

RDP, thanks for taking the time to respond. We agree on some things, other things we don't.

To recap my position: A woman should never try to usurp authority from her husband, that we agree on.

Church government, as outlined by the Apostle Paul, was bishops, elders, and perhaps deacons (I agree there could be a bit of a sway on deacons as you mentioned).

Paul identifies the five-fold ministry as being a help to the church, different from church government, and therefore entirely possible that women could fit those roles, if the woman remains within the boundaries of headship. Romans 12:6-8, I Cor. 12:28-31, Ephesians 4:11-13

There are no written records in the NT of a woman expounding scripture to a group of believers (in a synagogue or otherwise), although we certainly see Priscilla working alongside her husband sharing the gospel.

So, it remains that if God has called a woman to minister to the church, it should be within the boundaries of God's ordained headship order, and it should be to edify the church, and not to rule or govern the church.

That is how I see things, in a nutshell. I admit this is my opinion, and my study of the scriptures has led me to this understanding. I don't claim to be a Greek/Hebrew expert at all, but then again, don't believe I should have to be, to understand the simple principles God has set forth in his word.

There is a place for women in ministry, but it is within careful boundaries. The problem is, that many times those boundaries are ignored, and the few women who do this make it easy for others to broad-brush all women who minister in the church as "Jezebels", which is sad, and certainly not the case.

Even though I've never met Sis. Alvear in person, her sweet spirit that she exhibits here and the obvious fruits of her labor, in response to the call of God, would signal that there is a place and a work for women in the five-fold ministry given to edify the church. There are many others, too, who have shared that God called them to minister and edify the church, and there many such great women of God who have shared the gospel and certainly edified the church.

It has been interesting interacting with you RDP, and I am glad to hear you and your wife will be taking a few days off together, I hope your time together will be refreshing for you both.

Until we meet again

[Sister Alvear]

Ironing robes today...making graduation hats and planning to cook a huge supper tomorrow night maybe some of God's table waiters could come help me? lol....
Thank the Lord both my eys and lungs are doing better....however am on a strong medicine for my lungs...

[Sister Alvear]

Really, I just like to tease...however in reality I do believe in women in the ministry but I don't believe in PUSHY LOUDMOUTHED women who think they have to sit at the tables with men and women of that nature. If God has a place for you just do it....time and eternity will testify for you....

[Sister Alvear]

I am just glad I do not have to do a lot of things I once had to do...Thank God for the brothers!

[Dordrecht]

I imagine the comment about "keep on enslaving" was just to encourage, right?

I believe what she was talking about is adding "works" to what Christ has done for us at the cross.

Some "church organizations" are very good at it, and in fact it is enslaving
people in a dramatic way. So, it was not to "encourage" as you mentioned, it was stating a well known fact that many are aware of.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I believe what she was talking about is adding "works" to what Christ has done for us at the cross.

Some "church organizations" are very good at it, and in fact it is enslaving
people in a dramatic way. So, it was not to "encourage" as you mentioned, it was stating a well known fact that many are aware of.

It was a slap at RDP. As was calling him a "Pharisee." Plain and simple.

[Sister Alvear]

let's be nice folks even when we disagree.... (Mother Alvear)

[Sister Alvear]

Even at Thyatira (one of the seven churches of Asia Minor), the church had a woman teaching (Revelation 2:18-29). Listen to what Jesus said about this woman who calls herself a prophetess: Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess.
.......... God did not condemn her (Jezebel) for teaching, but rather, He condemned her for what she was teaching—“sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols” (2:20).

She was rebuked for wrongful teaching…
not for the fact that she did teach in the Church

Jezebel was teaching Gnostic philosophy. She had in essence become a Gnostic leader. Once more, God gave “her time to repent of her immorality, but she was unwilling.” If it had been wrong for her to teach, one wonders why God did not say something about that. This testimony is also inferred evidence that women did take a public role in the preaching and teaching of God’s Word, otherwise she would not have been accepted as a public figure within the Christian community.

[Sister Alvear]

Pinning the Jezebel label on a woman of God is a blatant attempt at character assassination. After all, Jezebel was the personification of evil. We read in 1 Kings 18-19 that she wielded tyrannical power over Israel through her spiritual ties to the cult of Baal. From her position as queen, sitting beside King Ahab, Jezebel was responsible for the murder of many of Israel's true prophets. Her strategy was to intimidate the righteous followers of God while promoting Baal worship--so that the sexual perversion associated with her brand of paganism would eventually control the entire country. -