End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rdp

Big hint: Huldah, nor any other woman ever ONCE expounds from Scripture to men - even she. The very text is brought to her !? Huldah did what a prophetess does - instantaneously revealed God's intents for Josiah (a figure I have studied very much about) - not "preached them a sermon."

So, hearing from God directly apart from scripture is what women do, huh? Men just take what other men heard from God directly, wrote about and then tell people what it means? LOL!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by ILG

So, hearing from God directly apart from scripture is what women do, huh? Men just take what other men heard from God directly, wrote about and then tell people what it means? LOL!

Ummm, what part of the function of "prophecy" did you not understand? Will Newman need to break this down fer ya' so you'll accept it ?


Anything to cast a cloud over God's crystal-clear instructions to the church though 'eh?!

[Sparrow]

Might I ask a few questions?

If I have read correctly, according to rdp, women are not permitted to expound scripture to men in a church setting.

Does this mean women are allowed to expound scripture to other women in a church setting?

Does this mean women are permitted to expound scripture to men outside of a church setting?

Also if I have read correctly, I believe it was rdp who stated it was ok for women to do outreach/soul-winning? According to the statement about women not being allowed to expound scripture to men, does that mean you believe women aren't allowed to witness to men but only to women? I am asking this because I have never been in an outreach situation that doesn't require an explanation of scripture.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, what part of the function of "prophecy" did you not understand? Will Newman need to break this down fer ya' so you'll accept it ?


Anything to cast a cloud over God's crystal-clear instructions to the church though 'eh?!

As I said before: So, hearing from God directly apart from scripture is what women do, huh? Men just take what other men heard from God directly, wrote about and then tell people what it means?

I'd rather be able to hear directly from God and tell people about it any day than just quote someone else! Sounds like the better deal. LOL!

[KeptByTheWord]

RDP still hasn't explained how his women prophesy, sing, and testify in silence.... (much to his consternation, and ignoring of posts where I have questioned this.) He will never be able to explain how a woman can keep silent in church, and still speak. That is his "dichotomy".... lol

And it remains, that he is using his own "filter" of understanding of those 3 "women keep silent" scriptures to try to explain it according to his satisfaction. But it still remains to be his "filter" that he is using to bar women being used in the ministry in his church. LOL... and then of course, he always has to launch into Dr. Daniel Wallace to try to explain the verse, and just keeps going in circles, and never has answered how you can keep silent, and prophesy.

And... ILG has posed a great question... is it better for a women to prophesy directly from God, since they aren't (according to RDP) allowed to teach from the scriptures, rather than for them to be able to use the written word to teach others?

Sis. Alvear has also posed this question too... she has prophesied, and God has used her mightily, BUT if she should try to teach a bible study to a man, in a living room, or expound on a scripture to a congregation of people, she has disobeyed God? What kind of reasoning is this?

That is why the filter of "RDP's understanding" on the women keep silent doesn't work, and those scriptures need to be further understood in context, and culture in order for the teaching to be relevant. But, as we've all seen on this entire thread, unless you see it RDP's way.... you are just not seeing it right. lol...

I've explained how I understand it, but I certainly don't condemn anyone else because they don't see it my way. I believe that scripture is open to personal interpretation. Even the apostles in the early NT disagreed on very important subjects, and had great disagreements. Not everyone is going to see things exactly the same. That is why we must be careful not to judge our brother, just because he doesn't see it that way we do.

I am not throwing rocks at RDP in any way for believing what he does, as he and others in his fellowship are certainly entitled to believe what they believe. I do have a problem, when their filter of understanding is held up as elite, and the only "RIGHT" interpretation, and a casting of stones on anyone who sees it any differently. There is great danger in that kind of mindset.

We must walk according to how the spirit of Jesus leads and guides us, and each one of us must walk pleasing unto the Lord as the spirit leads and guides us. In the NT, we see that Paul brought the gospel of uncircumcision to the Gentiles, and Peter brought the gospel of circumcision to the Jews. They never saw things identically. Yet, the gospel was able to be furthered to both Jews and Gentiles, because they didn't major on their differences, but they majored on the gospel, which should be our focus too.

[n david]

63 pages and nothing really about this "End-time Army of Women Preachers"



Where is this army?
Who's the female leader?
Which organization does this army belong?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by ILG

As I said before: So, hearing from God directly apart from scripture is what women do, huh? Men just take what other men heard from God directly, wrote about and then tell people what it means?


Here, let lemme' help the girl out (isn't it amazing how it's mostly the women who object to the biblical restriction concerning "women-preachers" ?):


11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.


The Greek verb translated "teach" (διδάσκειν) is lexically defined as (ready for this?): "In the NT, 1321 /didáskō ("teach") nearly always refers to teaching the Scriptures (the written Word of God). The key role of teaching Scripture is shown by its great frequency in the NT, and the variety of word-forms (cognates). This includes three noun-forms, two adjectival forms, and one verb, totaling about 220 occurrences in the NT. (http://biblehub.com/greek/1321.htm).



Now, what part of this clear definition do you need help with ?



I'd rather be able to hear directly from God and tell people about it any day than just quote someone else! Sounds like the better deal. LOL!

Which is the very reason you're backslid today - you reject God's clear instructions in favor of your own ideas !

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rdp

Which is the very reason you're backslid today - you reject God's clear instructions in favor of your own ideas !

LOL! Yeah, okay rdp. Whatev's.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

RDP still hasn't explained how his women prophesy, sing, and testify in silence.... (much to his consternation, and ignoring of posts where I have questioned this.) He will never be able to explain how a woman can keep silent in church, and still speak. That is his "dichotomy".... lol

And it remains, that he is using his own "filter" of understanding of those 3 "women keep silent" scriptures to try to explain it according to his satisfaction. But it still remains to be his "filter" that he is using to bar women being used in the ministry in his church. LOL... and then of course, he always has to launch into Dr. Daniel Wallace to try to explain the verse, and just keeps going in circles, and never has answered how you can keep silent, and prophesy.

And... ILG has posed a great question... is it better for a women to prophesy directly from God, since they aren't (according to RDP) allowed to teach from the scriptures, rather than for them to be able to use the written word to teach others?

Sis. Alvear has also posed this question too... she has prophesied, and God has used her mightily, BUT if she should try to teach a bible study to a man, in a living room, or expound on a scripture to a congregation of people, she has disobeyed God? What kind of reasoning is this?

That is why the filter of "RDP's understanding" on the women keep silent doesn't work, and those scriptures need to be further understood in context, and culture in order for the teaching to be relevant. But, as we've all seen on this entire thread, unless you see it RDP's way.... you are just not seeing it right. lol...

I've explained how I understand it, but I certainly don't condemn anyone else because they don't see it my way. I believe that scripture is open to personal interpretation. Even the apostles in the early NT disagreed on very important subjects, and had great disagreements. Not everyone is going to see things exactly the same. That is why we must be careful not to judge our brother, just because he doesn't see it that way we do.

I am not throwing rocks at RDP in any way for believing what he does, as he and others in his fellowship are certainly entitled to believe what they believe. I do have a problem, when their filter of understanding is held up as elite, and the only "RIGHT" interpretation, and a casting of stones on anyone who sees it any differently. There is great danger in that kind of mindset.

We must walk according to how the spirit of Jesus leads and guides us, and each one of us must walk pleasing unto the Lord as the spirit leads and guides us. In the NT, we see that Paul brought the gospel of uncircumcision to the Gentiles, and Peter brought the gospel of circumcision to the Jews. They never saw things identically. Yet, the gospel was able to be furthered to both Jews and Gentiles, because they didn't major on their differences, but they majored on the gospel, which should be our focus too.

LOL - Yea' my "consternation" is just more than I can handle ! Your "earth-shattering" query regarding both biblical "prophecy" & biblical "silence" in each context has been "answered" & explained on a textual levelover & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over - ad nauseum infinitum.



What do you do? What those in favor of "women-preachers" always do - totally "ignore" the specific-inspired original voice of Scripture & keep parroting "You've not answered me" ?


Weird stuff - weird stuff .


It's like arguing with a 5-year old who thinks they've "silenced" an adult with their self-induced misunderstanding of a topic....After so long of trying to reason with them from facts - you just have to allow them to live in their contented delusion. This is why so many others can see how absurd y'all's arguments are looking in the face of crystal-clear Scripture & exegesis (trust me, they've told me).


In the final analysis, I'm not interested in chasing these same ol' rabbit trails all day & night - when absolutely NO ONE has even attempted to offer ANY SORT of exegetical-grammatical rejoinder to the mountains & mountains of syntactical points that have been offered. Mere denial of the biblical texts? - Sure, y'all have plenty of that ! Textual reasons for your denial of the biblical texts? - You have not an ounce !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by ILG

LOL! Yeah, okay rdp. Whatev's.

But of course - would expect nothing less !