End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Which misses the point altogether. It was NOT "her words" it was the word of God she gave voice to not the exposition of scripture under a congregational setting.

Neither RDP, myself nor anyone else I recall posting has stated a woman cannot be used in the gifts of the Spirit. As I recall RDP congratulated Sis. Alvear for following the Holy Ghost - She was not giving an exposition of scripture but a "word of knowledge" came forth. Different concepts.

When you preach/teach scripture, are you not speaking the Word of God?

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Where does it say they cannot? Make sure those exact words are in your scripture since you claim they are there!

The "exact" words cannot be found because it is written in GREEK not English. But you knew that so this is simply a straw man argument - a very poor straw man argument at that. The Elderly Women were to teach the younger women - not give expositions in the synagogue or elsewhere.

Are you aware of the division within the synagogues? Men and women were separated and men always gave the exposition. The church was born out of the synagogue. The Corinthian church, for example, was born out of the synagogue (Acts 18:8).

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm pretty sure much of what he does on here is to make up for what he cannot do at home with his own wife. LOL!

This is nothing but an insulting personal attack. Sis Alvear would be grieved with this post as everyone should.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

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So what reference did you use? I could not find it in Strong's or Vine's.

1984, which appears to refer more to the office of a bishop, but really, is that the point? In many cases, 'brethren' is feminine. I don't think a case can be made to argue how gender classification proves a point.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

The "exact" words cannot be found because it is written in GREEK not English. But you knew that so this is simply a straw man argument - a very poor straw man argument at that. The Elderly Women were to teach the younger women - not give expositions in the synagogue or elsewhere.

Are you aware of the division within the synagogues? Men and women were separated and men always gave the exposition. The church was born out of the synagogue. The Corinthian church, for example, was born out of the synagogue (Acts 18:8).

The exact words in the English aren't there either, right? Not even close. Really, if Paul meant women are to be silent, then they cannot speak at all, no singing, no praying. One cannot take his own interpretation and make excuses for some speaking or singing but not others when scripture doesn't say that.

Anna resided in the temple and spoke to congregations. Congregation made up of men and women. She didn't write out a speech. She didn't give an expose on a subject she studied. She did what the prophets did. She was no different than they. In addition to the other female examples we have in scripture, one honestly cannot negate their 'position', if you will, in sharing the Gospel.

I think we Americanize the Bible too much. We think Paul had multiple church buildings complete with cushy seats and sound systems and sweaty slobbering preachers in the pulpits. I don't believe 'church' was much else than a gathering of people, whether or not in a building, interested in hearing about Jesus, regardless if it was a man or woman speaking it.

Many of Paul's letter were directed at the politics of the church...how they should run, having order, not taking things in vain or for granted, and for those in the service of Christ should be people who were upstanding and righteous. I believe this to be the same as it should be today.

The fact remains, however, 'church' is people, it's not a building. Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered..." He didn't mention a building. He didn't mention who should be leading.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You both keep making the same statement and saying the Bible says the same thing, but nowhere can either of you show where scripture says a woman cannot share the Word of God (which is scripture as well, not just God speaking to her) in a congregation. Nowhere does it say that.

It makes no sense for you or anyone else to claim that telling people one on one is ok, but gather them all together to tell them the same thing is wrong. That's totally stupid, to be quite blunt.

Really, think about it. I can tell each one of my neighbors individually the same message, but put them all in my house and tell them all at once and BOOM!!! I'm in disobedience? What difference does it make? Where is scripture that shows that difference?

As for RDP's statements, he lost me after he told Sis. Alvear she was in rebellion to the scriptures, which the scripture says is the same as witchcraft. Any respect I had for him until that point is now gone.

The "overseer" of the church is to be a man, period end of story. Hulda, Deborah and others have been brought forth as "Proof" women can lead congregations as Bishops. Yet, the Bible is clear, the Bishop is to be the husband of 1 wife, among other qualifications. Please tell me how a woman can be the husband of 1 wife.

FTR I believe in the gifts of the Spirit and encourage everyone to seek after and most importantly be in a place where you can hear the voice of God and act upon that voice. This is different from preaching or pastoring.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

This is nothing but an insulting personal attack. Sis Alvear would be grieved with this post as everyone should.

Well, perhaps I should do what he does. Justifies it by stating that others do the same to him.

But I won't. Actually, in rereading that, it doesn't sound as I intended. To further explain, it's to say that he knows better than to inform his own wife she shouldn't be telling him what to do so he comes here and does it to other women.

I've seen that a lot on here. It's not a new thing, for sure.

[Praxeas]

In California a woman can be the husband of one wife

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

When you preach/teach scripture, are you not speaking the Word of God?

When teaching/preaching scripture you are expounding upon what was written. It is not giving forth the "thus saith the Lord" although that could happen in a message. The message is the direction God gives the Bishop for the service based upon scriptural principles.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sasha

1984, which appears to refer more to the office of a bishop, but really, is that the point? In many cases, 'brethren' is feminine. I don't think a case can be made to argue how gender classification proves a point.

Uhhh... Still no reference? 1984 is not a reference. Perhaps the copy and paste missed it? The point is you said bishop was feminine. I just want the source for my own personal edification. The context always determines definition.