End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11 - Page 102

Roxanne Murphy · #**1011** 02-09-2014, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

And now you have placed words in my mouth. Where did I say it was okay for Aaron to usurp the authority of Moses? I didn't. Look at my post. I said:
They, that would be Miriam and Aaron, were usurping the role of Moses". I find it interesting that only Miriam was plagued with leprosy. You may be right about Aaron being quick to repent. We don't know. It is just as likely that Miriam was the ringleader and that was the reason why she became leprous though I do believe you are right about the repentance of Aaron. I am sure it saved him some trouble. Either way the point still stands, Miriam was usurping the authority of the office of Moses. yes, just like her brother Aaron, and they were BOTH called out for it in front of the entire congregation

Once again I think it behooves us all to remember that when God uses us that we must not think to highly of ourselves and seek to usurp authority, whether male or female. Hopefully we can agree on this.

Yes, reverend Pliny, I can agree with your last paragraph

Sister Alvear · #**1012** 02-09-2014, 06:46 AM

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.Miriam was a prophet. The Hebrew word used here for “prophetess” is ‘nebiah.’ Nebiah is the feminine of ‘nabi’ which means: “a spokesman, speaker, prophet. Nebiah is used six (6) times in the Old Testament as prophetess.
We all know she did something she should not have done. God did not punish because she was a woman...Miriam, Aaron & King Saul are examples of how leaders can fall
into dangerous traps.Leaders can try to exercise authority beyond their office & anointing.
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam. Micah 6:4 God said I put before you...including men and women ...he was talking to all the people....They are in front of you...leaders....

Sister Alvear · #**1013** 02-09-2014, 06:55 AM

Pliny...I am doing my job and fulfilling my calling...myhusband has no problem with it...and we fellowship hundreds of churches in the states that have no problem with me being a missionary...and besides that many that do not believe in women preachers always ask me to come and "tell missionary stories.."
So there are many opinions ... Almost everytime I am in the states I speak at Brother Holmes church ..one of the biggest churches in oneness Pentecost...they have no problem with me speaking...so I am not on here trying to find a place to speak...

I have several friends that are ladies that pastor right there in the USA...and have nice size churches...so my opinion is just like your opinion... Just an opinion...and I feel mine is right you feel yours is right...

I KNOW the Lord called me to be a missionary and I am doing my best to be faithful to His call.

Pliny · #**1014** 02-09-2014, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

But if you do not ALSO demand that a bishop or deacon must be MARRIED, then it is selective theology. The apostle was specific in this verse, when he could simply have said that a bishop must be a man, he instead said "husband of one wife". That is very clear and very defining, but this is not taught so. WHY NOT?????

The Catholic Church would have done well to read the Bible.

Sister Alvear · #**1015** 02-09-2014, 08:40 AM

lol...Pliny cannot answer that....One of the anti's told me the other day that Paul was not married....another said his wife left him...and his children must have been women for we hear nothing about them...
Another said his wife died...and Paul said wished that all be like him! strange....strange....

Sister Alvear · #**1016** 02-09-2014, 08:41 AM

A lot of things the Catholic church did...
Go read the church councils.....

Pliny · #**1017** 02-09-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

I don't have time to continue this. As an ordained minister I have a responsibility to stand for truth. Also, I don't get all ruffled over women that think they are called to preach. I disagree based upon biblical principles but in the end I have to much here to do to wonder about what is happening somewhere else. This is what comes to my mind at the end of the day:

(Luk 9:49 KJV) And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
(Luk 9:50 KJV) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

I pray the Lord of the harvest sends forth laborers into His harvest because eternity is too long to be wrong. Eternity will sort it all out but I must when confronted with the question take a biblical stand.

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Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

But if you do not ALSO demand that a bishop or deacon must be MARRIED, then it is selective theology. The apostle was specific in this verse, when he could simply have said that a bishop must be a man, he instead said "husband of one wife". That is very clear and very defining, but this is not taught so. WHY NOT?????

I thought I would re-post my earlier comment. At the end of the day I don't care if women are "preaching" or not. As it relates to the Bible I believe it is wrong. I am not a dictator and cannot make people do anything. My responsibility begins and ends with preaching and teaching from the word of God. There is too much for me to be concerned with here for me to get worried about what is happening a few miles down the road. I only weighed in because I believe there is a biblical standard and I have an obligation to stand for truth, whether it is popular or not. As far as that standard goes, it goes far beyond simply a married man. I will not get into here. I will not listen to women preachers because I believe they are out of place. Neither do I go to their cities and try to tell everyone she is out of place. At the end of the day, I take the words of Jesus above and consider if she is not against us she is for us and there is too much work to do in this kingdom. Still I have an obligation to state the truth regardless of who may or may not like it.

As to your post specifically, I mentioned above that qualifications go far beyond marriage. I will not get into those qualifications here. The context here is women preachers. Although, the Catholic Church would do well to read the Bible,

Pliny · #**1018** 02-09-2014, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Miriam is the 1st woman in scripture given the title of prophetess. She is alongside her 2 brothers in ministry and has a God ordained position of great authority.Miriam was a prophet. The Hebrew word used here for “prophetess” is ‘nebiah.’ Nebiah is the feminine of ‘nabi’ which means: “a spokesman, speaker, prophet. Nebiah is used six (6) times in the Old Testament as prophetess.
We all know she did something she should not have done. God did not punish because she was a woman...Miriam, Aaron & King Saul are examples of how leaders can fall
into dangerous traps.Leaders can try to exercise authority beyond their office & anointing.
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam. Micah 6:4 God said I put before you...including men and women ...he was talking to all the people....They are in front of you...leaders....

Yes and Miriam went beyond her office when trying to usurp authority from Moses, the MAN God called as the shepherd. It has already been shown Miriam was a "prophetess to the women". When she stepped out of that role she got in trouble with God. Context, context, context... Oh brother...

Pliny · #**1019** 02-09-2014, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

lol...Pliny cannot answer that....One of the anti's told me the other day that Paul was not married....another said his wife left him...and his children must have been women for we hear nothing about them...
Another said his wife died...and Paul said wished that all be like him! strange....strange....

Now you are a false prophetess. There is a difference between not being able to answer and keeping the context. Unfortunately you cannot tell the difference.

You continue to purposely stir up division. Shame on you. You try to play down your desire to be a "preacher" yet time and time again you name call those "anti's" thus attempting to support women women preachers by casting negative aspersions. Shame on you.

Roxanne Murphy · #**1020** 02-09-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pliny

The Catholic Church would have done well to read the Bible.

And sadly, there are a whole lot of Pentecostal preachers who would also do well to read the Bible, the whole thing, then honestly and rightly divide the Word of truth, allowing scripture to interpret scripture instead of unnaturally forcing parts of scripture to fit around tradition (Catholic or Baptist or Pentecostal, doesn't matter as far as God is concerned because He hasn't given anybody a dispensation to add to or take away from His Word). But it is much more self gratifying to point at those 'others' who try to make the Bible say what it doesn't really say and accuse them of false doctrine and brag about how we have the truth because we do understand some important doctrines like the mighty God in Christ, the authority of the Name of Jesus. But getting some things right doesn't automatically make everything we believe and preach doctrinally correct.