End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

(see Galatians 4:1 where Paul uses the word to describe someone who owns an estate and is a guardian or overseer). This woman is in a place of authority–she is probably both the head of her household, and the overseer of a congregation that met there. She is not only a lady with authority but she is eklektos: she has been called or chosen for her position of authority. Spencer gives “elect lady” an alternate translation: “the woman chosen to be master” (p. 109). This woman is called “master” and “chosen,” and she, along with the church, are given instructions to safeguard against false teachings

The bolded is clearly against Scripture. It violates even what's agreed by a majority here (even those for women preachers), that men are the head of their household.
The Bible is not contradictory. If there is an order of the family which the Bible clearly shows, any commentary which goes against it is false and should be discounted completely.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If so, we have in II John evidence that these daughters of Philip established and led Christian communities...The fourth-century church historian Eusebius quotes a letter written by Polycrates, bishop of Ephesus, to Victor, bishop of Rome between 189-198 AD... "For in Asia, also, mighty luminaries have fallen asleep, which shall rise again at the last day, at the appearance of our Lord, when he shall come with glory from heaven, and shall gather again all the saints... Philip, one of the twelve apostles who sleeps in Hierapolis, and his two aged virgin daughters... Another of his daughters, who lived in the Holy Spirit, rests at Ephesus... Moreover, John, that rested on the bosom of our Lord, who was a priest that bore the sacerdotal plate, and martyr and teacher, he also rests at Ephesus." Quite possibly, the "elect lady" and her "elect sister" of II John are two of these "mighty luminaries" who "lived in the Holy Spirit" and whom Polycrates and Eusebius commemorated... (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, book III, chapter. xxxi tr. by Christian Frederick Cruse, Grand Rapids, MI; Baker Book House, 1955, p. 116.)..

I'm not finding this evidence claimed in II John... Perhaps I missed it, so here is the full passage. Please highlight the evidence which shows Philip's daughters established and led anything.

2 John 1:1-13 KJV
The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever. Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full. The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by n david

Paul's statement about "husband of one wife" is about polygamy, not that one must be married. If meaning one must be married, then many early church elders would have been excluded, including Paul himself.

I disagree, because Paul never called himself a bishop, he only gave the qualifications for those who would hold that particular administrative position in a church body. He repeatedly called himself the apostle to the Gentiles, and that he truly is was.

This is yet more scriptural proof that the office of a bishop, is something that a person who is part of the five fold ministry can hold if here's the qualifications, but it is NOT scripturally sound to automatically place the bishop office requirements on the five fold ministry. The same apostle wrote both texts yet he wrote them differently. He didn't need to if they are all the same.

Let me see if I can illustrate from modern life: in any corporation (body, as the church has been called by Paul), there are multiple individuals who possess similar skill sets and can perform multiple tasks related to the function of the corporation. In a commercial business, there are lots of individuals with business skills and degrees; yet, when there is an executive office, say, a regional manager, there are additional expectations, duties and authority that come along with the position, yet this does not mean that this person is the only one in the corporation who can perform any business tasks. In my professional field, I am a licensed nurse and have 8 other licensed nurse who work under my position as the nursing manager. They are no less qualified to perform nursing tasks than I am, and they do not have to meet the additional requirements and responsibilities that I must meet because I am currently fill an executive/administrative office. For me to say that I am the only nurse who can perform any nursing duties would be foolish indeed. Yet there are pastors who mistakenly believe that they are the only ones who can minister from scripture to their congregation. This is not how the church was designed. The church is the body of Christ, not a machine or a sole proprietorship.

So, the requirements of the office of bishop are NOT the same requirements to fulfill a calling within the five fold ministry.

[Sister Alvear]

lots of women are head of households....I know sweet ladies that their husband's died...others left them and they are the head of the house....

Sister (then) Lois Gatlin when her husband left her many years ago continued pastoring her the church and raised all her children...she was the head of her houshold....I am not saying a married lady is the head of her household and I said I was putting out here different opinions....

[n david]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

I disagree, because Paul never called himself a bishop, he only gave the qualifications for those who would hold that particular administrative position in a church body. He repeatedly called himself the apostle to the Gentiles, and that he truly is was.

This is yet more scriptural proof that the office of a bishop, is something that a person who is part of the five fold ministry can hold if here's the qualifications, but it is NOT scripturally sound to automatically place the bishop office requirements on the five fold ministry. The same apostle wrote both texts yet he wrote them differently. He didn't need to if they are all the same.

So, the requirements of the office of bishop are NOT the same requirements to fulfill a calling within the five fold ministry.

I'm not talking about the 5 fold ministry, I'm only talking of 1 Timothy 3, the office of Bishop and Deacon. They are men only, and the reference to "husband of one wife" does not mean they have to be married. It only means they cannot be married to more than one woman if they are married.

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

But if you do not ALSO demand that a bishop or deacon must be MARRIED, then it is selective theology. The apostle was specific in this verse, when he could simply have said that a bishop must be a man, he instead said "husband of one wife". That is very clear and very defining, but this is not taught so. WHY NOT?????

That is simply incorrect.

1 Timothy 3:1 KJV This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

1 Timothy 3:2 KJV A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Again, it doesn't mean he must be married. It simply means he can only have one wife.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

lots of women are head of households....I know sweet ladies that their husband's died...others left them and they are the head of the house....

Sister (then) Lois Gatlin when her husband left her many years ago continued pastoring her the church and raised all her children...she was the head of her houshold....I am not saying a married lady is the head of her household and I said I was putting out here different opinions....

Was the "elect lady" a widow?

[Sister Alvear]

The Bible does not mention her husband...so in my humble opionion it would seem to me she probably was a widow. Paul uses “elect” in the same way when he speaks of Rufus, “chosen in the Lord” (Romans 16:13. See 1 Peter 1:1, 2)

[Sister Alvear]

Something I want to make clear...I use the word anti...It does not mean they are not my friend...I only use it to describe those pro and anti....I personally have precious friends in both camps...There are some things we just have to disagree on but we do not have to become enemies...
I have friends that use wine for communion, others use grape juice, others don't even use anything...I have friends that think the church is fixing to be up and gone...others think we will go through..3 and a half years of tribulations other think 7...and on and on...
I think we can present why we believe things without becoming enemies..or saying insulting things...
I personally am old time holiness...but am not standing on the street corner pointing fingers at others....You would never catch me without hose and closed in shoes...lol...that is just me...I was taught that as a child and have always lived that...however if you want to come to church in flip flops that is you...many of our people do in many poor places...
We are all different...I was raised under the ministry of Sister AO Holmes, Sister Rita Dawson, Sister Mary Williams...I did not even know people did not believe in women preachers until I was in the 12th grade....lol....

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

To other women.

Says what verse?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by n david

The bolded is clearly against Scripture. It violates even what's agreed by a majority here (even those for women preachers), that men are the head of their household.
The Bible is not contradictory. If there is an order of the family which the Bible clearly shows, any commentary which goes against it is false and should be discounted completely.

Is it possible to guide but not lead?